From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #238 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, August 22 2002 Volume 04 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: [RS] guitar learning [] [RS] Berrie Center correction ["Michaela O'Brien" ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #236 ["Mark Hughey" Subject: Re: Re: [RS] guitar learning I don't get it. Why do we have to do an "instead". Enough people have indicated that they like the guitar threads/posts, so why is there any remaining talk about eliminating/reducing them. Again, if you don't like the thread, hit the delete key. There's not so much volume that a few more posts would be onerous. Joe > > From: Candy Funston > Date: 2002/08/21 Wed PM 05:54:58 CDT > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [RS] guitar learning > > Then why don't we do a song of the week thread instead? Or let's talk about > any of the new stuff he's been playing. > > How about tour reviews? Anyone on the West Coast want to pipe in with a > review? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Cinelli" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:20 PM > Subject: RE: [RS] guitar learning > > > > I was so happy to hear that some other folks were also > > trying to learn the guitar, so yeah, I think the > > thread is a good one too. Think about it, if it > > wasn't brought up, there would've been practically no > > posts these past few days! I would like to thank > > Brian and everyone for giving me a few encouraging > > words and suggestions. I appreciate it! > > Janet > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:24:08 -0400 From: "Michaela O'Brien" Subject: [RS] Berrie Center correction Hi all, Sorry - Ron G. brought to my attention that I got a little asterisk happy and indicated that the show below was another one with Joan Baez. But it's not - you'll get 100% Richard here: 9/13 Berrie Center, Mahwah, NJ, 201-684-7844 Take care, Michaela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:42:49 -0600 From: Sean La Roche Subject: [RS] JOINING IN I am new to this list. I mention that because I wasn't around when it is very possible that my favorite Richard song might have been discussed, as it is on Reunion Hill. The song is "Beyond the Iron Gate". And while I in no way pretend to be any sort of authority on music or Richard's work this song has resonated in me since I first heard it. Even now I will play it five or six times in a row when I put that album on the player. And it isn't about the lyrics--as they are about as "obscure" as any of Richard's songs. It is about the music and the way it is arranged and what Richard and Larry Campbell and the other musicians do to the song to move it, for me, into another realm. And I know I'm talking to musicians and artists here and that I don't know in any technical way what I'm talking about. All I do know is this song, this arrangement, this production moves me more than any other Richard song--and that is saying a lot. I fell in love with Richard before I ever saw him perform. He was sitting at the far left in a song circle at the Folk Alliance Conference in Portland, Oregon in February of 1995. (At that time about all I knew about Richard's music was "Are You Happy Now") Radio Bob from Kansas was the host. Others in the circle included Dar, Ellis, Catie Curtis and The Nields Sisters--and I may be missing someone. Anyway, as I sat there--next to Ms. Lucy Kaplansky, whom I had just met earlier in the day--waiting for the performance to begin my eyes went to Richard, who was leaning back in his chair with one one arm over the chair next to him. He was not talking with anyone like the others, but was surveying his fellow artists, the audience and the room in general with a slight smile on his face. I felt very strongly that I was in the presence of an interesting and compelling personality. And I'm sorry if I am going on too long here. This is the first, and probably the last, time I've ever written about Richard. I have been lucky enough to see Richard perform several times since then--in a showcase room at Folk Alliance in Cleveland, at The Ark in Ann Arbor, at a 100 seat venue in Albuquerque and several other places. I love his performing. And I've heard some people say that he doesn't "do" a lot on stage. For me he does everything: in that he gives his audience the heart and soul of Richard. One has to notice the raise of an eyebrow, the shrug of a shoulder, the slight smile. All those "little" things that taken as a whole show us the true eseence of a magnificent poet/musician. OK--I could go on and on. Because first and formost I am a huge fan of Richard's. I thank you for giving me the space to write this "fan letter"--- Yours in The Music Sean - -- Sean La Roche 505/262-2969 New Mexico laroche@swcp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:43 -0400 From: "Mark Hughey" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #236 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] the Couriers >> What I see from this is that the hero of the song is no one specific Courier but rather all of the nameless, unsung (until now) Couriers.>> ok. take this with any size grain of salt you like, but this is one of my favorite RS songs, so here's how I like to think of it, whether or not it is what he meant. I see the courier at different levels. The ones he uses in the songs, of course. Then... and here I want to say that it first struck me this way when I saw him in Dallas last time through and he opened with it.... Richard is the courier. What you do with what you hear happens after he moves on, but he has a message. Any good writer hopes he has a message that moves someone else. Life or death? not usually, but... ok. then at another level, it is how one lives a faith in any religion. might lose you here, but to me here's the lines that reinforce this version (or layer) to me... > I am a courier Crawling in the dirt > > It's not my job to ask the questions I'm just the courier > > I am the string pulled by the sure hand Animating what was still I am invisible and faithful I am a courier > > To this courier Guardian of the word > > I take this as a point of honor To be a courier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #236 My take on "The Courier" is that it is a story but he himself identifies with a courier. His albums are full of stories about people who don't neccessarily have a voice, so to speak. . - -Adam - --- Mark Hughey wrote: > From: "Norman A. Johnson" > Subject: [RS] the Couriers > > >> What I see from this is that the hero of the song > is > no one specific Courier but rather all of the > nameless, unsung (until now) > Couriers.>> > > ok. take this with any size grain of salt you like, > but this is one of my > favorite RS songs, so here's how I like to think of > it, whether or not it is > what he meant. I see the courier at different > levels. The ones he uses in the > songs, of course. Then... and here I want to say > that it first struck me this > way when I saw him in Dallas last time through and > he opened with it.... > Richard is the courier. What you do with what you > hear happens after he moves > on, but he has a message. Any good writer hopes he > has a message that moves > someone else. Life or death? not usually, but... > > ok. then at another level, it is how one lives a > faith in any religion. might > lose you here, but to me here's the lines that > reinforce this version (or > layer) to me... > > > > I am a courier > Crawling in the dirt > > > > > It's not my job to ask the questions > I'm just the courier > > > > > I am the string pulled by the sure hand > Animating what was still > I am invisible and faithful > I am a courier > > > > > To this courier > Guardian of the word > > > > > I take this as a point of honor > To be a courier HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:32:58 EDT From: SHOE4347@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #237 
All my bags are packed and ready to go.... Off to the Philly Folk Fest.  
Tracy will be there for a tribute to Dave Carter.  I just heard the Kennedy's 
will be there too.  That is some terrific duo.  If you never heard or saw the 
Kennedys do so soon.  Happy Folking, John  

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:06:21 -0600
From: "Bill Chmelir" 
Subject: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli

Lisa,
	You wrote:
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As for Courier, it just perfectly captures several moments in
time. The line that I love is:

On your knees boys
Make your peace boys

It says so much so economically. As a writer I have to bow to
that!
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The correct line in Courier is:

"on your FEET boys
make your peace boys"

Did you accidentally type the wrong word or does that change the whole
meaning of the
line for you?  Possibly the whole meaning of the song?  You're right that
the line says
so much so economically.  As a soldier I have to bow to that as well.  In 8
words, Richard
I imagine articulates the crucial moment of every soldiers life who has ever
gone into
combat.  It makes me wonder how I will perform if ever given a similar
order.

When I hear that line I always think of the scene in the movie Gallipoli
when Mel Gibson
(a runner, or courier) is about 5 seconds late with the Commander's order to
Gibson's
Captain for his unit to stand down.  The Captain blows his whistle sending
the boys,
including Gibson's best friend and the Captain, over the wall into no mans
land and their
almost certain death at the hands of the Turkish machine-guns.  Gibson is
left standing in
the trench, the only one unscathed of his ANZAC Light Horse unit.

Incidentally The Pogues have a song called "And the Band Played Waltzing
Matilda" which is
about the ANZACs (Australian and New Zealand Army Corps) at Gallipoli and is
quite good.

Bill







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