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shindell-list-digest       Friday, June 21 2002       Volume 04 : Number 179



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [RS] lee wessman           ["Vanessa C. Wills" <vcwills@princeton.edu>]
  [RS] Time to Move Onward                 [Charlie Hunter <yhmgt@sover.net>]
  [RS] Re: not ready for prime time                        [LBECKLAW@aol.com]
  Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward      ["Jeff Gilson" <jeff@onefreeradical.com>]
  Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward                             [ptpower@juno.com]
  Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward                             [ptpower@juno.com]
  RE: [RS] Time to Move Onward          [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)]

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:06:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Vanessa C. Wills" <vcwills@princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: [RS] lee wessman

This is indeed very sad. I've read many of Lee's posts over the years, and
I'll miss his insights and his contribution to the life of this list. Ron,
thank you for giving us this news, although it is painful.

- --Vanessa

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 Pfleary@aol.com wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Thanks for sharing this information, as sad as it is, with the list.  I never
> met Lee in person, but exchanged e-mails with him a few times, mostly along
> the lines of being a fellow Californian/Shindell lister.  The tribute in the
> Sacramento Business Journal was very nice.  I also searched the archives
> using his name and sampled posts that he had written while on the list.  It
> was bittersweet, but seemed like an appropriate way to evoke his memory.  I
> particularly enjoyed reading his post regarding his earthquake experience at
> the Giants/A's World Series game in 89 and how it gave him insight to the
> characters in Richards songs.
>
> Peter
>
> >>>>>>>>It is with great sadness that I bring news that journalist, musician,
> andlong time RS list regular Lee Wessman died in February.  A little strange
> tojust be writing this now, but good friend and ex-lister John Clary just
> foundout the news.  Lee, who was 47, died at his home from a brain aneurysm
> whilehe was lying on his living room sofa watching the Winter Olympics.  He
> was agood guitar-pickin' pal to many of us here and on the GuitarStuff list,
> andhe'll be missed by all who enjoyed his wit and wonderful writing style.His
> wife, Kelli, and the family ask that contributions be directed to acollege
> fund for his daughters, Rachel, 15, and Lauren, 14. It is the WessmanMemorial
> Fund, c/o El Dorado Savings Bank, 4040 El Dorado Road, Placerville,CA
> 95667.To read a wonderful tribute to Lee, follow this link:<A HREF="http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2002/02/18/story4.html">
> http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2002/02/18/story4.html</A>RG

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:31:48 -0500
From: Charlie Hunter <yhmgt@sover.net>
Subject: [RS] Time to Move Onward

Dear Richardians,
As some of you know, at the recent Iron Horse show, Richard invited Carol
and me up on stage. He gave Carol a big bouquet, and to me he gave a big (a
really, really big) book on the history of Narrow Gauge Railroads in the
United States.

Why?

Because I love trains, and Richard knows that, and thought I'd appreciate a
book on them more than a big bouquet... Oh, no, ok... Richard gave us these
tokens of appreciation because as of July 1, Young/Hunter Management will
cease to manage Mr. Shindell.

Why?

Our contract with Richard was up in January (we extended it through June in
order to oversee the US release of COURIER), and, at that time, I made a
personal decision to stop - either permanently or at least temporarily -
being a music manager. At Y/H, we have always used a style of management
where one of us is the primary manager of a specific artist (Richard was
mine, for instance). I am now in a phase of my life where there are other
things that I find myself very much engaged in, and Carol and Kerry's plates
are already full with the careers of Chris Smither and Peter Mulvey (and
additionally in Kerry's case, Jeffrey Foucault).

Carol and Kerry are busy, I am wanting to devote myself to painting and
putting on events (a weekly concert series, the annual Fred Eaglesmith
Weekend/Roots on the River Festival, some other vague railroad-concert
plans) in Bellows Falls, VT, Richard's career is doing well and it is a very
natural place for this chapter to end and the next one to begin.

We started managing Richard in 1997. Since then he has released his three
most successful albums (to which he owns the masters of PATERSON and
COURIER); he has regained control of his entire publishing catalog; his
record sales have increased dramatically; he was a partner in the highly
successful Cry Cry Cry; he has had his songs covered by and has an ongoing
artistic collaboration with Joan Baez; his audience has more than quadrupled
- - he's now able to make a good living at the thing he loves to do. It's a
good time to move on.

It's how we were with Dar's career which encompassed another five year
period from 1994-1999 (sometimes I think I may just have about a five-year
attention span). To me, the time in an artist's career arc that I love is
when the artist is barely known, but you and a small band of people are
utterly passionate about that artist - and you're converting fans one by
one and two by two.

In the past few years, I've noticed myself thinking, from time to time,
"that's good enough" in terms of concert fees, album sales, radio airplay,
pushing to get others to cover Richard's songs, etc. etc. Of course, a good
manager shouldn't be satisfied with a member of the team saying "that's good
enough." I know what I'm good at, and what I want to do, and pushing and
pushing to get an artist to an essentially infinite goal of mass popularity
isn't my strength. So, in short, Richard's contract is up, and it's a
perfect time for me to bow out.

It has been a joy to manager Richard, and to get to know many of you on the
list. I'll still subscribe, and I hope I'll be keeping in touch with many of
you, and Carol and I will continue to administer Richard's Signature albums
for about another five years, so we won't completely disappear from the
scene. Rest assured, Young/Hunter Management will continue, although I will
be a pretty invisible partner. I've made Richard promise to play Bellows
Falls once a year, so maybe I'll be able to drag some of you up to my neck
of the woods! But, in any case, Carol and Kerry and I would like to say a
big THANK YOU to all of you for being such great friends and fans, and to
Richard for choosing us to pilot his career for the past half-decade.

With love and gratitude,
- - Charlie, o/b/o Kerry, Carol and Charlie

(my other life is visible at http://www.flyingunderradar.com and
http://www.hunter-studio.com if you want to take a look).

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:28:19 EDT
From: LBECKLAW@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Re: not ready for prime time 

Do any of you kid-friendly listers (e.g. parents) know of any upcoming RS 
gigs in the NY/CT area that are during the daylight hours, e.g. before 8pm 
EST? After hours of being subjected to RS listening in my car (while being 
shuttled from ballet to play dates), my 5 year old daughter has evolved into 
a tried and true RS acolyte.  I have promised her (besides an American Girl 
doll for her birthday) that I'll take her to a RS concert this summer or fall 
if I can find out before her bedtime.  

Any ideas?  I was thinking of New Bedford Festival, but I'm not sure her 
attention span is ready for a full day of folk without Sponge Bob 
Squarepants.

Thanks,
Laura

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:18:30 -0500
From: "Jeff Gilson" <jeff@onefreeradical.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward

We'll miss you at the helm, Charlie.  Don't be a stranger around here.

jeff.


Charlie wrote:
> Dear Richardians,
> As some of you know, at the recent Iron Horse show, Richard invited Carol
> and me up on stage. He gave Carol a big bouquet, and to me he gave a big (a
> really, really big) book on the history of Narrow Gauge Railroads in the
> United States.



- --

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:40:21 -0400
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward

Charlie wrote:

>>It's a good time to move on.<<

I, on the other hand, will continue my stint as Charlie Hunter
doppelgdnger.


Pat


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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:44:34 -0400
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Time to Move Onward

>>doppelgdnger<<

Damned e-mail program . . . it didn't translate the umlaut properly --
that should be doppleganger.


Pat



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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:45:03 +0200
From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)
Subject: RE: [RS] Time to Move Onward

Charlie,

all the best with the adventures life has in store for you from now on! you
have done incredible work for and with Mr. Shindell. Before I knew you I had
no idea music managers would actually talk to fans :) this might sound
silly, but really. It must have been in '96 when I was still on the Darlist
and had just come across Peter who Dar brought up on stage. I mentioned him
on the Darlist on the lookout for more information about him, and out of the
blue Mr. Hunter emails me asking if I would like a copy of Goodbye Bob just
like that. Blew me away and was just the first in many incidents that showed
that Y&H just isn't like any other management. Thanks, Charlie!

I for one have Bellows Falls up on my list of places to come back to. Dave,
are you coming along? :)

best,
Katrin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org
> [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org]On Behalf Of
> Charlie Hunter
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:32 PM
> To: shindell-list@smoe.org
> Subject: [RS] Time to Move Onward
>
>
> Dear Richardians,
> As some of you know, at the recent Iron Horse show, Richard
> invited Carol
> and me up on stage. He gave Carol a big bouquet, and to me he
> gave a big (a
> really, really big) book on the history of Narrow Gauge
> Railroads in the
> United States.
>
> Why?
>
> Because I love trains, and Richard knows that, and thought
> I'd appreciate a
> book on them more than a big bouquet... Oh, no, ok... Richard
> gave us these
> tokens of appreciation because as of July 1, Young/Hunter
> Management will
> cease to manage Mr. Shindell.
>
> Why?
>
> Our contract with Richard was up in January (we extended it
> through June in
> order to oversee the US release of COURIER), and, at that
> time, I made a
> personal decision to stop - either permanently or at least
> temporarily -
> being a music manager. At Y/H, we have always used a style of
> management
> where one of us is the primary manager of a specific artist
> (Richard was
> mine, for instance). I am now in a phase of my life where
> there are other
> things that I find myself very much engaged in, and Carol and
> Kerry's plates
> are already full with the careers of Chris Smither and Peter
> Mulvey (and
> additionally in Kerry's case, Jeffrey Foucault).
>
> Carol and Kerry are busy, I am wanting to devote myself to
> painting and
> putting on events (a weekly concert series, the annual Fred Eaglesmith
> Weekend/Roots on the River Festival, some other vague railroad-concert
> plans) in Bellows Falls, VT, Richard's career is doing well
> and it is a very
> natural place for this chapter to end and the next one to begin.
>
> We started managing Richard in 1997. Since then he has
> released his three
> most successful albums (to which he owns the masters of PATERSON and
> COURIER); he has regained control of his entire publishing
> catalog; his
> record sales have increased dramatically; he was a partner in
> the highly
> successful Cry Cry Cry; he has had his songs covered by and
> has an ongoing
> artistic collaboration with Joan Baez; his audience has more
> than quadrupled
> - he's now able to make a good living at the thing he loves
> to do. It's a
> good time to move on.
>
> It's how we were with Dar's career which encompassed another five year
> period from 1994-1999 (sometimes I think I may just have
> about a five-year
> attention span). To me, the time in an artist's career arc
> that I love is
> when the artist is barely known, but you and a small band of
> people are
> utterly passionate about that artist - and you're converting
> fans one by
> one and two by two.
>
> In the past few years, I've noticed myself thinking, from
> time to time,
> "that's good enough" in terms of concert fees, album sales,
> radio airplay,
> pushing to get others to cover Richard's songs, etc. etc. Of
> course, a good
> manager shouldn't be satisfied with a member of the team
> saying "that's good
> enough." I know what I'm good at, and what I want to do, and
> pushing and
> pushing to get an artist to an essentially infinite goal of
> mass popularity
> isn't my strength. So, in short, Richard's contract is up, and it's a
> perfect time for me to bow out.
>
> It has been a joy to manager Richard, and to get to know many
> of you on the
> list. I'll still subscribe, and I hope I'll be keeping in
> touch with many of
> you, and Carol and I will continue to administer Richard's
> Signature albums
> for about another five years, so we won't completely
> disappear from the
> scene. Rest assured, Young/Hunter Management will continue,
> although I will
> be a pretty invisible partner. I've made Richard promise to
> play Bellows
> Falls once a year, so maybe I'll be able to drag some of you
> up to my neck
> of the woods! But, in any case, Carol and Kerry and I would
> like to say a
> big THANK YOU to all of you for being such great friends and
> fans, and to
> Richard for choosing us to pilot his career for the past half-decade.
>
> With love and gratitude,
> - Charlie, o/b/o Kerry, Carol and Charlie
>
> (my other life is visible at http://www.flyingunderradar.com and
> http://www.hunter-studio.com if you want to take a look).

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