From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #96 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, March 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: is it just me? [LBECKLAW@aol.com] Re: [RS] everybody talking bout, pop music ["Andrew Bonime" I came home as the sun went down > One eye trained upon the ground > Even now I find their things > Glasses coins and golden rings > Does anyone else think of 9/11 and Ground Zero when they hear this now? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:40 -0500 From: "Andrew Bonime" Subject: Re: [RS] everybody talking bout, pop music A good observation. Periodically, I need to know that there are literate and people of taste out there! Part of the reason I chose Britney over 'NSync is that I try to make a distinction with taste vs quality. There are many acts I don't care for, but whose talent I accept. I thin that 'NSync are a talented bunch. I just don't care for their music. There are (and have always been) those who qualify as outside my taste (this includes classical music as well). But I singled out poor Britney because I don't think she has any talent at all. She is the pure artifice of a marketing machine and looks and sounds like a second runner-up from Star Search. Madonna may or may not appeal to me (a lot of her work DOES), but there is no disputing her talent. RAP and much of the R&B today is not even music and it never gets as far as taste. Closer to home: I know a lot of RS fans don't care for Patty Larkin. I like her a lot, but I recognize that it is unfair to make the comparison. I like her guitar playing and commercial melodies. I have said (and this is MY quote, Ron ;-) ) her lyrics are "nowhere near Paterson." But I would love to live in a world where we could have discussions over artistic merits of good, talented artists like these. But that's just me. Best, Andy Best, Andy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scribbling Woman" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [RS] everybody talking bout, pop music > Hi Andy, > Maybe it's because you chose Britney, instead of, say, 'NSync. > Having struggled for some twenty odd years with the idea that "lower calf, upper arm should be half what they are," as an aging non-blonde of the female persuasion, it has been a matter of personal survival, for me at least, to accept that "that's the way it is." > Just a matter of apples and (saline-enhanced) melons. And, yes, there's room in this world for all of us! :-) > Yours, > Granny Smith > Andrew Bonime wrote: > What I think bothers me is the state of all of this. Most of the comments so > far have been on the order of "That's the way it is." or an explanation of > how it works. But does anyone care that it is this way? Or is that too > anti-Zen? Is it just like looking into a mirror and wishing we were younger? > In short is it just something that hurts too much because it cannot be as we > would like it? Just polling the group. > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:51:49 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] chicks with picks, writers and covers, etc shindell- > > Jim C. mentions that he doesn't care for Joannie's cover of Reunion Hill. > Question 1: Can anyone think of a song written from a woman's perspective, > like this one, that is sung better by a man? > Question 2: Can anyone think of a song written and performed by one singer, > but > that is better when sung by another? (as in better than the original > version)? > For the record, it's more the arrangement and instrumentation on the jb version I don't care as much for. I prefer the starker, simpler version of the richard acoustic version over even his much more textural studio version. And 1- I always liked the John Prine version of Angel from Montgomery. But the most stunning version I ever heard was by two guys... Shea Quinn and Jeffrey Gaines (Gaines has since experienced some degree of rock/pop fame.) 2. Calling the Moon, IMHO. I prefer the shindell version to Dar's. I would say that to many folks, the Hendrix version of all along the watchtower is the definitive one. (Frankly, I can't even remember much about the original version.) There are several Steve Goodman versions of The Dutchman that are better to me than Michael Smith's. I like Garnet Roger's reading of the Bob Franke song Thanksgiving Eve a little better than the original too, just offhand. But it's hard to argue the power of Garnet's voice, odd phrasing aside. But overall, I do tend to stick with the writer when it comes to these things. jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:01:21 +0100 From: Reinhard Liess Subject: Re: [RS] chicks with picks, writers and covers, etc At 15:51 18.03.2002 -0500, jim colbert wrote: >And > >1- I always liked the John Prine version of Angel from Montgomery. But the >most stunning version I ever heard was by two guys... Shea Quinn and >Jeffrey Gaines (Gaines has since experienced some degree of rock/pop fame.) there's another great version by LFNY (aka Anne Heaton, Edie Carey, Sam Shaber, Andrew Kerr and Teddy Goldstein) but what is really funny is that I listened to it just second before I read the email on this very list;-) ~Reinhard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:20:24 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] thanks howie I'm lying here in a hospital room with my laptop writing this message. My wife came home around noon and found me unconscious on the floor, with the web site Howie directed all of us to still open. The doctor says it was pretty mild as far as heart attacks go and I'll be out of here tomorrow, since my HMO only covers 24 hours of hospital stay for mild heart attacks. The prescription is for a low fat diet, daily aerobic exercise and no opening attachments from Howie. Oh, gotta go, more flowers just arrived, Love, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:22:57 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] better than the original Laura wrote: >> Can anyone think of a song written and performed by one singer, but that is better when sung by another? (as in better than the original version)? << "Cold Missouri Waters". I've heard James K. sing it. Very good but Richard's is much better. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:53:25 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] FAME -- I'll Sing This Song Forever Britney Spears, not unlike N'Sync, Backstreet Boys and just about every Hip Hop artist currently dominating commercial FM radio, are all musical constructs, figments of the imagination of money-grubbing record industry moguls who care not a fig about quality, musicality or genuine talent. But lest we forget, our era had its share of constructs--the Monkees, Dave Clark Five, Grand Funk Railroad, to name a few. And while I couldn't stand listening to anything by Grand Funk, the Monkees turned out some terrific tunes and Michael Nesmith and Peter Tork, it turned out, were the real deal after all, despite their record company's attempts to control their musical output 100% of the time. Now, the constructs are just unlistenable and it all sounds exactly the same year in, year out. It's so annoying. I hate this music...and I hate anyone who likes this music. Richard will never achieve the mass fame of a Madonna, Britney Spears or N'Sync. The masses don't have the intelligence to ever appreciate artists such as Richard. But maybe that's how it should be. Still, I find it hard to watch any kind of music awards show and not throw something through the television screen. Lately I just turn the damned thing off. RonD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:08:27 -0700 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] Songs Written from Woman's Perspective Laura wrote: >I'd like to throw in a sub-set question to this SOTW challenge: >Jim C. mentions that he doesn't care for Joannie's cover of Reunion Hill. >Question 1: Can anyone think of a song written from a woman's perspective, >like this one, that is sung better by a man? >Question 2: Can anyone think of a song written and performed by one singer, >but >that is better when sung by another? (as in better than the original >version)? >Back to the shadows. Laura, My answers to your questions are: 1. There is a rugby song that I learned in Scotland called "I don't like no British Soldier" that was obviously written from a woman's perspective but was absolutely priceless when sung by the our team captain Billy McBride. Come to think of it, I can't picture any woman ever singing that song. 2. Every Bob Dylan song ever covered sounded better covered than did Bob's original version. Especially Jimi Hendrix covers of Dylan. Incredible writer though, that Bob. I've always considered Reunion Hill to be a song about loss at the hands of war rather than an anti-war song. It is after all possible to lose a loved one to a war and still be in support of the principles for which the war was fought. I think it could be just as easily be argued that it is a "pro-war" song as it is an "anti-war" song from the words used in the song. I'm sure Joan Biaz has talked with Richard much more in depth about the songs meaning and so I suppose she would know better than me. But I think it is vague enough to let us all draw our own conclusions and I think our conclusions have everything to do with our personal views of war. I think it is a song about loss caused by war. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 2/28/2002 ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #96 **********************************