From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #94 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, March 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] nashvillle [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears ["Andrew Bonime" ] [RS] I wanna be brittany (no richard content) [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears [Scribbling Woman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:03:14 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] nashvillle (snip) why, o why does richard never come to nashville??? we are lonely for his music and sadly deprived. Aw, cry me a river, you guys got the Bluebird cafe, real song pulls, and can see David Olney somewhere pretty much every month... (big grins, please!) Actually, that is a good question. Is it just not a "folk" market per se? jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:03:40 -0500 From: "Andrew Bonime" Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Maybe. But (and I'm showing my age here) I remember when the pop charts were filled with the Beatles, and the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton, And Crosby Stills Nash & Young, and The Byrds, Simon & Garfunkel, Fleetwood Mac, Joni Mitchell, etc., etc. AT any rate, what I was wondering about was how the group feels about all this. I agree with your explanation. Best, Andy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Alvord" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears > What is is. BS has certain attributes which appeal to a mass public. > In 10 years who will remember. Modonna sold 15 million of some records > now she sells 1-2million. so it goes. > > With RS, people that have heard Fishing will never forget it or him. > > The situation is the direct result of the mass market, which always > votes for T&A and the Christians and the Lions. Try to alter that and > you wind up with the dictatorship of the proletariat insisting that > only certain art is correct... Or a king who will be overthrown > eventually. > > john > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:01 -0500, "Andrew Bonime" > wrote: > > >Good points. To clarify, my question was not about quality, or about > >relative merit. It was simply about recognition as is evidenced by sales, > >concert bookings, and general interest in the press. There is something to > >be said for the isolated artist whose talent transcends popularity. We all > >know stories of artists who died penniless until one day the word caught up > >with their talent. What I am asking here is simply whether anyone feels a > >frustration that we have this gem of a talent that only we seem to know > >about (granted the "We" is no small thing, but compared to the popularity of > >the aforementioned BS, it is miniscule). What I want to know is whether this > >frustration exists or are we all pretty happy with the way things are. > > > >Best, > >Andy > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scribbling Woman" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:08 PM > >Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears > > > > > >> Since my "nickname" here makes reference to an issue similar in theme*, > >I'll jump in here. > >> I wonder if your question equates fame with success. I would argue that > >fame is a goal and if it is the goal of both, than BS (um, that's Britney > >Spears) would appear to have achieved a higher level of "success." > >> I understand that there is "business" in the music business, and that a > >certain level of record sales is important, but in terms of "music," RS et. > >al are far more successful to me at this stage of the game. Perhaps I'd > >have thunk differently about twenty years ago. > >> > >> *In the mid-1800's, Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't sell his work, and in a > >letter to his publisher, complained about the "damned mob of scribbling > >women" who were enjoying great monetary success with their domestic fiction. > >> > >> > >> Andrew Bonime wrote: Maybe this will get the group > >talking: > >> > >> I was wondering how the group feels about the relative level of RS fame > >vs. > >> say that of Britney Spears. I'm not being crude here, I have two possible > >> points of view: > >> > >> 1) We are happy that at RS' level of fame, we can fairly easily get > >tickets > >> and we can see him perform in relatively intimate settings. He can writer > >and > >> record under circumstances conducive to his art without the machine of a > >major > >> touring and recording commitments. but, > >> 2) What do we think of a world that responds to acts like Britney Spears > >on > >> such a monumental level that knows little if anything about RS (or his > >> talented associates like Lucy and Dar)? I sometimes wonder. > >> > >> BTW, this is not in any way a comment on RS' management. It is rather a > >> comment on the music business and public taste. > >> > >> What does the group think? > >> > >> Andy > >> ======================= > >> Andrew Bonime > >> andrew@bonime.com > >> www.bonime.com > >> www.cloudshine.com > >> www.chudfacts.com > >> Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:12:36 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] I wanna be brittany (no richard content) Okay, just in the spirt of the thing thought I'd share. Jim I wanna be a star but my shirt's too long It covers up my navel when I sing my songs I'm moving product, I'm a sight to see Every schoolboy's got a dirty thought for me I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany! My fashion sense it is tres chic cause I'm the flavor of the week! You see me on the beach I'm selling cola or maybe dancing my ass off with the Ayatollah... I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany! I wanna wear the coolest fashion Except for stuff that has to fasten I'm gonna date that curly-headed singer And be an urban cowgirl like Debra Winger If I want I'll be hip-hop ghetto funky but will Justin still love me if I get chunky? (umm, these next two lines deleted in the interest of family fare and good taste) I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany! Everyone knows I can't sing worth a (radio edit) But I'm filthy rich cause I've got big (radio edit) Lettin' my cheek sneak outta my pants Oops I did it again! (giggle) Now baby let's dance! I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany! I've got to practice my slick dance moves But lip-synching messes with my stone cold groove I wanna wear my hair a different way Short then long, blonder every day I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany I wanna be Brittany! Now hollywood's calling and I gotta go Y'all are just jealous when you call me a ho Cause I'm the biggest star that's ever gonna be at least this month, I'm brittany! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:14:45 -0500 From: "Wheeler, Tina" Subject: [RS] Subj: You got me Laura wonders: > Look at the picture below and tell me what if anything is wrong. It > > > took me a few minutes to figure it out.> > > >> I give up. What is wrong (besides the fact that to a mom of 2 preschool >> kids, it looks hauntingly neat and tidy, I mean)....>> Laura, Being the mother of 2 pre-school kids you probably don't have the time or attention span to give it its due. :-) Try again and study it a little longer..... Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scribbling Woman Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Ah, well, now here's where I look like a Dar-basher again, and I'm really not. It's just that this is one experience where I got what you're asking about in your question. When Dar's success/fame/recognition catapulted, I lost touch. I am older than and have different personal angsts than those of what I perceive to be her current target market. It is entirely possible, however, that this is just the coincidence of my growing in a different direction. If Dar's happy, I'm happy, but I miss the way her music/lyrics used to speak to me. Of course, I'll miss my daughter when I send her off to college in a few months. This doesn't mean I don't want her to go, though. I guess my bottom line is that I'd love for RS to get all the exposure he needs/wants, but the image of him with a beehive, being carried across the beach on a surfboard to sell his message? Well, I'm just not ready for *that* yet. :-) Andrew Bonime wrote: What I am asking here is simply whether anyone feels a frustration that we have this gem of a talent that only we seem to know about (granted the "We" is no small thing, but compared to the popularity of the aforementioned BS, it is miniscule). What I want to know is whether this frustration exists or are we all pretty happy with the way things are. Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:19:47 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Well I can be a "music snob" at times, but I have to say there is nothing wrong with BS or Madonna. In fact there are a couple Madonna songs, both dance songs and serious songs, which I will love forever, period. Sometimes its just fun to just dance around. If you have forgotten that, please revisit your high- school music collection. There is room for both types of music. Even RS wrote Lazy. But instead of feeling snobby we should feel extremely fortunate that we have had the education and opportunity to refine our musical tastes to the point where someone like RS appeals. He will simply never appeal to the mass audience. I mean they might like "Kenworth" or "The Weather." But most of RS's songs are subtle and subtle takes refinement. Refinement requires education and that is something this country has failed at recently. I bet if you were to poll the relative IQ (or less politically incorrect measure) and level of education, this group would rate pretty high. It's sad that more people don't seek out RS, but the masses don't have what it takes to "get" Richard, that should upset us more than Britney. E Silly topic: Is Madonna's, "Like a Prayer" an influence on RS's, "Fleur de Lys?" Compare and contrast. Feel free to include Madonna's video and aborted Pepsi commercial. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #94 **********************************