From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #451 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 03 : Number 451 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Peter Mulvey [Kerry Bernard ] [RS] YAY!!!! [jim colbert ] [RS] How Many Orders? [Charlie Hunter ] Re: [RS] How Many Orders? [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] NASAL?!?! [Vanessa Christina Wills ] RE: [RS] How Many Orders? [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] songwriting thread, redux [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] How Many Orders? [SMOKEY596@aol.com] Re: [RS] How Many Orders? [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] NASAL?!?! [Loracevoll@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:49:40 -0500 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: [RS] Re: Peter Mulvey Norman asked: >Is one of these covers "The Ocean"? Oh yes. Funny thing about that particular cover (which, for the same reasons as Christy, I actually like better than Dar's version - Peter's is way more intense) is that we jokingly referred to it as "the b*tch of the bunch" because we had such a hard time getting a good take. Reasons being: 1) it's a relatively long song and Peter couldn't get through the whole thing without the subway blaring through, and 2) Because his version is so intense, it's emotionally draining after a couple takes, and he couldn't just spend an entire day doing it. I thought we'd never get a good clean take but we finally did and ohmygod it rocks. At this point, I think I'd pay $15 for a CD that contained just that and his mind-blowing version of Gillian Welch's "Caleb Meyer" (which made me cry the first time we played it back). Yep, it's going to be an amazing album. Kerry :) Kerry Bernard Young/Hunter Management 350 Mass Ave, #230 Arlington, MA 02474 781.643.2773 ph 781.643.0416 fax http://www.younghunter.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:16:26 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] YAY!!!! Ah... Monday morning, scrape the windows and get back to work and I got Courier! Which means it would have arrived in Saturday's mail, cause I stopped in Saturday am on the way to spend a day cleaning out my mom's garage( now effectively putting two apartments and one house's worth of stuff in one townhouse... yeesh.) Ah... the bliss of new richard music. Makes me almost forget how good the concert for landmine free world thursday was (beautiful harmonies on patty griffin's mary struck me most- nancy griffith, mary chapin carpenter and emmy lou.) anyway, will share my (positve, I'm sure) thoughts soon. Jim somewhere near utopia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:05:50 -0500 From: Charlie Hunter Subject: [RS] How Many Orders? Eric asked: > just curious - how many orders for Courier have been processed in the first > week, and how does it compare with pre-orders for Somewhere Near Paterson? I just emailed Jim Olsen, and he reported the following: 685 units in the first week for Courier, versus 352 for SNP. What great news! Jim says something like 225 orders have been for the two-copies-plus-SONORA deal! Let me ask you all, are you giving away your second copies of COURIER for the holidays, or what? - - Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:04:32 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] How Many Orders? >> Let me ask you all, are you giving away your second copies of COURIER for the holidays, or what? << Yep . . . mine went last night as a Hannukah gift to a friend who only knows Richard's music through the versions he's heard ME do. So now he can hear the TRUE master at work. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:12:23 -0500 From: Vanessa Christina Wills Subject: [RS] NASAL?!?! OK, I just can't hold my tongue any longer. I gotta weigh in on this issue! On the one hand, sure, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I've never noticed that Richard is, indeed, a little "nasal." Although some people call it a "ring," which, of course, is a lot less pejorative. But I'll say nasal and just let it be assumed that by nasal I just mean that it's a closed sound instead of an open one, and it seems to resonate in his nose and behind his cheeks. Richard would just NOT be the Richard whose voice I go crazy over if he didn't sound like this. Sure, if I, or probably most anyone else, sang using the same technique he does, we'd sound really bad. I can't push my voice up there and let it resonate without breaking glass or making children cry or something. When I sing, I push it down and let it resonate in my chest and down in my belly--I can actually feel vibrations when I put my hands on my waist or rest them on the small of my back. HOWEVER, if you've got the kind of resonance and power and range and richness and the ridiculously huge amount of stamina that Richard does, I think you can be as nasal as you like! I sing from my chest in order to produce a resonant, dark sound. But Richard could hardly sound otherwise. He doesn't have to follow the same rules as most of us mere vocal mortals. And we're not talking nasal like Britney Spears. The way she sings is not "correct" _and_ it's really, really bad. Makes me angry to think of all the little girls growing up thinking that nasalness is a virtue. uggh. But Richard's nasalness is more like how when you're getting good (or should I say, amazing) at something, first you learn all the rules, and then you get to break them. I mean, honestly--the nasal tone is part of what drives the delivery on these songs. It's what makes them sound so clear and strong, and lends his delivery some of its urgency. "Wisteria" would just not be the same song sung non-nasally. And "Next Best Western"? Come on! The way Richard sings these songs is incredible and I wouldn't ask him to change a thing! His tone is part of what makes his sound so unique. Most people can't get away with it, and he makes it sound great. It's like a garment that flatters one person and makes another look weird and lumpy. You know what I mean? Oh, God, it's been a long night. OK--I am going back to work, but I just couldn't keep quiet one more minute! sheesh. People out here talking smack about Richard's singing voice. It's criminal, I tell you. Criminal! - --Vanessa - -- "I am a citizen of the moment. I have built my white picket fence around the now." -The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:09:44 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] How Many Orders? Charlie asked: > > Let me ask you all, are you giving away your second copies of > COURIER for > the holidays, or what? > yes. my mom will get it. which will probably prompt her to walk through the house singing reunion hill for a few days :) however... a tiny prerequisite for that is that the albums actually get here before X-mas... ah, the horrors of an empty mailbox. I had set my hopes high for today, given that it's been exactly a week that I ordered them. But alas, the ways of the ocean are unpredictable ... katrin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:19:44 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] songwriting thread, redux Some interesting choices on the top ten songwriter's lists. (Also for the most part, a big honkin' gap in everything before the mid sixties. A few choices that were really questionable to me not on a talent basis, but purely as songwriters. I also feel on some of the choices you really need time to determine if the quality of writing continues cause they're relative newcomers...but I digress.) I've tweaked the definition for my personal list. Top Ten songwriters who have most influenced me most in both my listening habits and as a writer, in no particular order: Harlan Howard Jimmy Webb Jackson Browne Bernie Taupin Merle Haggard Johnny Cash Townes Van Zandt David Olney Hank Williams (Sr., please...) Bruce Springsteen Paul Simon (okay, I lied. it's the top eleven.) Sorry to be so male-heavy, but I wasn't trying to be PC, just honest. There are a lot of female songwriters I greatly admire, but none cracked the top ten. And while rs is likely my favorite singer-songwriter, he hasn't really been a huge influence on what I listen to- that pattern was mostly already defined- or my writing. jpc listening to the gorgeous slow version of reunion hill... and smiling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:43:12 EST From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] How Many Orders? >>>Let me ask you all, are you giving away your second copies of COURIER for the holidays, or what?<<< Yes, but I'd rather give away copies of "Sonora" as gifts! Puhleeeeze can't we buy some more of these?? SMOKEY Atlantic Canada's Artists and Artisans www.gathering-of-artists.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:44:10 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] How Many Orders? In a message dated 12/10/2001 8:59:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, yhmgt@sover.net writes: > Let me ask you all, are you giving away your second copies of COURIER for > the holidays, or what? That's my plan. Or maybe one copy for the house and one copy for the car...... ;-) ........Carol PS. I was a little disappointed because I thought I understood from Jim at Signature that if you did the duel order you also received two copies of the EP. You really can't have one without the other....... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:51:04 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] NASAL?!?! In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:14:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, vcwills@Princeton.EDU writes: > Makes me angry > to think of all the little girls growing up thinking that nasalness is a > virtue. uggh. But Richard's nasalness is more like how when you're > getting good (or should I say, amazing) at something, first you learn > all the rules, and then you get to break them. Listen Vanessa, I don't want to start a flame war, but Brittany's music really speaks to me............ NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) My daughter loves her, but since she's just 9 -- I had to ban BS's latest release. It was OK, when it was bubble gum, but now that she's going for the bump and grind -- I have to just say "no" or really "hell, no!!" Back to Richard, it's interesting that you bring this up. Is this the first time it's come up on the list??? I've always felt he most definitely had a nasal voice, but he is a strong singer and stays on key -- not to mention he's the best songwriter in current memory -- so it doesn't matter as much. I think for some reason, it's more pronounced in this new live album. Here's to hoping Richard never holds his nose...... ;-) ...........Carol ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #451 ***********************************