From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #447 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, December 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 447 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] COURIER critique [patrick t power ] [RS] More Comments [Charlie Hunter ] [RS] Re: COURIER critique [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] More Comments [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Covers... [Kerry Bernard ] Re: [RS] More on Courier [Lisa Davis & family ] [RS] double vision [Pfleary@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:34:02 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] COURIER critique Charlie posed: <> Translation for new listers: "How's about *them* apples?" Pat p.s. After I listen to the album a few more times, I'll give a few more thoughts, but the first word in my two-word review is "Thumb's". ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:08:35 -0500 From: Charlie Hunter Subject: [RS] More Comments More comments: > .Memory of You is my least favorite RS song...i > just can't stand it and it's the only thing keeping Courier off the "perfect" > album list. So funny - my girlfriend also loves the album and dislikes "Memory of You", and I _love_ it (in fact, we had one version of the album that _started_ with "Memory of You." Glad _that_ didn't make the cut!). I've always thought of it as one of the 'neglected gems' of RS's catalog! > And boy, I wish there was a way for "Wisteria" to have made the main disc, > too. There are already SIX songs from "Sparrows Point" on the disc (more > than half the disc), so I certainly would have preferred "Wisteria" to, say, > "Memory of You." Charlie says (slightly defensively) - how can six songs be more than half of a fifteen-song disc? >I guess I can understand, though, from a marketing standpoint, how >having a Bruce Springsteen song on the disc might be a good thing.>> Yes, when we learned that RS had (to our utter surprise) covered "Sandy" at the Emelin - and had apparently _nailed_ it; Jim and I were _very_ hopeful that the fact that he had done a superb version of what is often thought of as the first "great" Springsteen ballad (at least that's what I read on some Springsteen website) and yet is a fairly obscure song, would be a good aid to additional airplay. But that wasn't the overwhelming reason; we all just really liked it, and the recording of "Sonora" had been so problematic... Note: We reserve the right to employ any manner of sneaky tricks to spread things out between studio albums of new material ;-) - - Your Capitalistic Friend Charlie PS: Let's have more candid opinions and such! I think it's fascinating! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:00:48 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: COURIER critique >> Nope, the reason is that RS wasn't happy with _any_ of the live performances of "Reunion Hill" and chose to redo it at Ben Wisch's studio. Otherwise the song wouldn't have appeared on the album, and I think that would have been a tragedy. << That was my other guess, and yes, it would have been unthinkable to leave that song off the CD. >> OK, who notices: a) the typo in the lyrics of "Courier" << First line of "Summer Wind, Cotton Dress" . . . there should be no apostrophe in the word "hers." >> b) the one 'dropped-in' line on the whole album? << Well, I'm pretty certain it's in "Fleur-de-Lis," but I'll be damned if I know which line. I seem to recall at the Outpost, that Richard came back at the show's end to re-perform the song since there'd been a problem with the version in the main show. But he blew a line in the take, so I'm guessing they stole a "good" line from the the other take. But -- if that's indeed the song -- the patch job is pretty invisible. >> It just reminds me again and again what an incredible musician, singer and songwriter RS is. << You'll have a tough time getting an argument from THIS crowd on that, Charlie. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:05:24 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] More Comments << Charlie says (slightly defensively) - how can six songs be more than half of a fifteen-song disc? >> Yeah, I realized after I wrote that, that I might be misunderstood. I meant that over half the songs on Sparrows Point made the live CD, not that over half the songs on the live CD were from Sparrows Point. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 17:30:09 -0500 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: [RS] Covers... Gene wrote: >>I am a cover song junkie This seems a good time to mention Peter Mulvey's next album which, if the above is true, yer gonna absolutely love. It is an album entirely of cover songs, being recorded entirely in the subways of Boston. We've been clocking countless hours down there over the past few months (I'm telling you, you have no idea what it means to feel grimy until you've spent 9 hours, underground, in a subway station) and the song selection (unwieldy right now at about 80 tunes - I kid you not) includes everything from Tom Waits to Elvis Costello, Radiohead to Gillian Welch, Paul Simon to Randy Newman. The album won't be out until next August but I bring it up now because we're going to be in subway again tomorrow (Sunday) so if there's anyone in the Boston area who wants to check it out, this will probably be our last time down there until early '02 (Peter heads back to Milwaukee on Monday). We'll be in the Davis Square stop from 6am until about noon, and then again in the late afternoon/early evening (probably about 3pm - 8pm). It gets lonely down there - come say hi and get a sneak peek at this bizarre-o recording situation. It really is a sight to behold. Also, I'm not sure exactly what time but I believe Kris Delmhorst will be joining us for a bit tomorrow, to record some guest vocals for the album... (Catie Curtis came down on Friday and added a great part to "I Wanna Be Like You" from the Jungle Book). As for Richard content - my favourite moment on Courier is Richard's voice, in "Fishing", on the word 'and' in the line, "And it says here"- pure menace! Gives me shivers every time. Kerry :) Kerry Bernard Young/Hunter Management 350 Mass Ave, #230 Arlington, MA 02474 781.643.2773 ph 781.643.0416 fax http://www.younghunter.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:06:14 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] More on Courier Gene Frey wrote: > the Sonora Sessions. However, as I have been communicating off-list with > another lister, I am afraid that this disc represents a chance for Richard > to wait an extra year before releasing a disc of new material. And, after > all, isn't it the songs, more than anything else, that make him such a > special artist? Hey, hey, as I have written once before (http://www.sharinglaw.net/personal/music/shin.htm and the review from '98, "here's to covers,") far far better that Richard take his sweet time, helping us pass the time with some brilliantly rendered covers, than that anything induce him to produce songs that are below his superb standard! It's kind of astounding, really, that he has kept writing this long and is STILL at that standard, that level of care! OK, so I whined about "I Am," but hey, (1) who knows if it'll change? and (2) one woman's simplistic is another's simplicity, who am I to know everything (despite what my spouse may think I think...!) Richard could always do an all-cover CD of his own, I'd buy that! If you added them all together. (But less revenues, all those royalties to others.) Further thoughts: (1) I also complained about "Sandy" sung in Bridgeport, and that must've been an off night, because although I also prefer the other, this is far far better; (2) the shrewd marketing approach has some sense to it; and (3) on a loftier level, you listen to those Springsteen lyrics -- I think Springsteen is one of the all-time great songwriters -- and it both puts Richard in his league (in the public eye) and you think, hey, Richard could've written this one too. The other point is that a live CD like this can be almost a "greatest hits" for the uninitiated, and of course you'd want those apparently very popular numbers that I don't care for, Arrowhead etc. You want a mix. I do think Wisteria should have been there because that is simply one of the most incredibly beautiful intros, and tunes, I have ever heard, and you can't hear it without wanting to cry. Actualyl, although I love "sea of fleurs de lys," it is a lot less accessible; someone who would go and buy the "first album" would like it, but you might not catch someone trying out a live album. About the double album: no, no Charlie, what you do NOW is add a couple more tracks onto the Sonora CD and re-issue it as a double set -- maybe add a few trinkets to the liner notes -- and all us junkies will go out and buy it, again! Maybe you could give us a discount if we could show we already owned Courier :) :) - or if richard really takes his time writing, just get some of those out-takes, package them up, and there you are. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:21:47 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] double vision Ron wrote: >>>I think you've got me confused with the "other" Ron What?!! You're two seperate people? Damn, I always thought you were one and the same! Peter (who ordered Courier on Wednesday and thinks he will find it in his mailbox on Monday) ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #447 ***********************************