From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #439 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, December 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 439 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] My Top Ten [Bill Wynn ] Re: [RS] Re: The 10 greatest songwriters [Jeff Gilson ] [RS] a lurker's top ten [jean@jeanius.com] [RS] Re: Guinness & singing [Loracevoll@aol.com] [RS] Back from sickness/misc [Elwestrand ] [RS] YAY!!! It's here ["Kristen Myshrall" ] Re: [RS] My Top Ten ["Kristen Myshrall" ] [RS] Courier. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] My Top Ten ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] correction ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] Courier. [eric ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:13:34 -0600 From: Bill Wynn Subject: Re: [RS] My Top Ten (In alphabetical order) 1. Dave Carter 2. Bob Dylan 3. John Wesley Harding 4. Robert Hunter 5. David & Nerissa Nields (OK, so I'm cheating a little, but they are in the same band!) 6. Richard Shindell 7. Al Stewart 8. Richard Thompson 9. Tom Waits 10. Cheryl Wheeler Picking only 10 is a tough call - I'd like to throw in John Prine, Ellis Paul, Cliff Eberhardt, Kate Wolf, Elvis Costello, Julie Miller, Randy Newman, Willis Alan Ramsey, Buddy Mondlock, George Barton, Warren Zevon, and lots of others, but rules are rules, and ten is ten. Thankfully the world has been graced by so many talented writers that it does make it difficult to choose. A happy dilemma. Respectfully disagreeing with Ron G. regarding the Beatles, that whole issue is so complex that simply categorizing Lennon, McCartney, or Harrison as songwriters barely scrapes the surface of the phenomenon. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:14:10 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Re: The 10 greatest songwriters Of course, all these lists have been of people best known for performing their own songs, which completely ignores Phil Spector, Burt Bacharach (w/ Hal David), Quincey Jones, and most of Carole King, all of whom I would say have been greatly influential for most who came after. That said, I haven't even begun to pick a list. jeff. - -- If I was afraid to break or bleed I would find someone much easier to need --Dave Carter - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:23:11 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Re: The 10 greatest songwriters >> Likewise, Jackson Browne spawned a glut of "sensitive" singer/songwriters. << I'm not so sure about that, in fact, I can't think of any singer/songwriters -- much less a glut -- who were influenced by JB. Most of the other "sensitive" types that come to mind -- John Denver, Jim Croce, Harry Chapin, James Taylor, Dan Fogelberg, David Gates, Richie Furay, Graham Nash -- either preceeded JB or were his contemporaries. Don't get me wrong, Jackson Browne is my favorite songwriter of all time, but I'd hardly consider him influential. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:47:31 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: [RS] OT - question I have a rather unrelated question but I thought some of you might now: what happened to musi-cal? I haven't been able to access their site all week long and when I try now there is a weird message from some appachee something on there. anybody in the know? Katrin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:54:24 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] OT - question If you go to the main mojam.com page, you get this message: Mojam.com is currently unavailable. We hope to have the site back up towards the end of the week. If you have any questions, please contact us. jeff. At 21:47 12/06/2001 +0100, you wrote: >I have a rather unrelated question but I thought some of you might now: >what happened to musi-cal? I haven't been able to access their site all week >long and when I try now there is a weird message from some appachee >something on there. > >anybody in the know? > >Katrin - -- If I was afraid to break or bleed I would find someone much easier to need --Dave Carter - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:55:46 -0800 From: jean@jeanius.com Subject: [RS] a lurker's top ten ... in alphabetical order ... David Bowie Bob Dylan Lennon-McCartney Joni Mitchell John Phillips Smokey Robinson Paul Simon Bruce Springsteen Bernie Taupin Brian Wilson Wish there were more females on the list ... but, oh well ... Jean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:51:34 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Guinness & singing > From: "Gary A. Martin" > Guinness is one of the smoothest, easiest to drink, most > refreshing beers around .......snip....... The carbonation is > very mild and well-integrated into the beer, so there's less chance of > belching in the middle of a song. You know, I always considering belching a plus at most shows..... ............Carol The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. ~~ Eleanor Roosevelt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:12:14 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Back from sickness/misc Wow a bunch of posts have gone by while I have been at home coughing! So here is a brain dump on a few topics: Re: RG's question about only having "one album on the desert island," my pick - no surprise to most of you - would be Al Stewart's, Year of the Cat. You can bury it with me, OK? It just sings to my spirit. However, re: most influencial songwriters ever, I don't see Al on the list. He was just never popular enough to be widely influencial. Certainly I hear his influence with some of our folkies, but not beyond that. As for great songwriters of "our generation," what exactly is that? I am 33 and the Beatles, Stones etc. are not the musicians that influenced "my generation." The most influential bands of the eighties and nineties would be wildly different than the 60-70's stuff. My generation your talking more Elvis Costello, Johnny Rotten, Curt Cobain, Brian Ferry, Springstein (not a favortie of mine), Ian Curtis, Gary Numan, Frank Zappa, Kate Bush, Grandmaster Flash, David Bowie, etc. As for earlier stuff this list is really showing its lack of ethnic diversity: Can anyone say Marvin Gaye???? What about Mr. Bob Marley? They both wrote some anthems of their generation. And then we really leave out so many people in many different Genre's. I don't think I saw anyone mention Merle Haggard or Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson. And as for Broadway, ditto to Tom for mentioning Sondheim - not just a songwriter - a poet. As for beer and guiness in particular - yuck. I don't know why people want to drink yeast. E Who used to love the peacocks and the log ride at the local budweiser plant amusement park. I live about four miles from their now and on some nights you can smell the beer brewing. Sadly, the amusement park is long gone. But RG you can come and smell the beer anytime ;-) ! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:42:18 -0600 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: [RS] YAY!!! It's here Whoohoo, the courier brought Courier and Sonora Sessions to Kansas today!!!! It's sounds absolutely fantastic!! Thanks to everyone who made this available before Christmas, and more importantly, 2 weeks before finals. This is just what I needed right now while i look at the pile of books that I need to read so that I can start 2 huge papers...at least I have Richards voice to soothe me now (and Lucy in the background!!) Kristen www.angelfire.com/folk/lucykaplansky .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:57:33 -0600 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: Re: [RS] My Top Ten In no particular order... John Lennon Bob Dylan Richard Shindell Tori Amos Brian Wilson Paul Simon Tom Waits Julie Miller Nerissa Nields deciding between Cliff Eberhardt and John Gorka for the last one Kristen www.angelfire.com/folk/lucykaplansky .Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:02:26 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Courier. It's officially in my hands. Anyone who listens to this CD and doesn't think that Richard Shindell is the finest songwriter in Contemporary Folk Music is going to have to fight me. And anyone who listens to the version of "Reunion Hill" (with surprise guest star) and whose heart doesn't break at the way Richard's voice cracks at the word "pure" ("my well is deep...") is just refusing to admit it. I am in awe of this CD. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:00:10 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] My Top Ten Older Generation: Paul Simon Lennon/McCarthy/Harrison Jackson Browne Bob Dylan Joni Mitchell Joan Baez Notable mentions: Gordon Lightfoot, Harry Chapin, Bruce Springsteen, Loudon Wainwright, Don McLean. This Generation: Dar Williams Richard Shindell John Gorka Dave Carter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:01:51 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] correction Did I say Joan Baez? Sorry, my mistake. I meant John Prine. ;-) Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:17:34 -0800 From: eric Subject: Re: [RS] Courier. Resolute RonG wrote: >Anyone who listens to this CD and doesn't think that Richard Shindell is the >finest songwriter in Contemporary Folk Music is going to have to fight me. Well, Ron, you know I love and hold in the greatest esteem Richard and his music/lyric writing, but if you're lookin' for a fight, i may have to grab a loaf of that VT bread that RockinRonD so dearly loves and come down to Jersey and beat you about the ears. I still contend that the finest songwriter in contemporary folk is Greg Brown. >I am in awe of this CD. me too. and the jam at the end of Transit reminds me of the Grateful Dead (1970's) in spirit. and why so much silence on the list about the Sonora sessions? I find it to be an almost-perfect companion piece. - - eric ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #439 ***********************************