From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #365 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 365 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Nor(ma)n [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: Say wha? [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #362 [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: By (BYE) Now [L8NiteBluz@aol.com] [RS] Live CD. [Rongrittz@aol.com] AW: [RS] By Now [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] That song and misc. [Elwestrand ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #364 ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Good list. Good list. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #362 [Vanessa Wills >The live CD sounds verrry goooooood. << As if we expected anything different!!! But it sure helps whet my appetite for the CD, which I'm still hoping is scheduled for a pre-holiday release. And I can't wait to find out exactly what's going to be on the "Sonora Sessions" bonus EP. And I can't wait to see the cover artwork and whether Richard will be barefoot on the back. And I can't wait to hear which songs came from which of the shows I saw. And I can't wait . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:49:04 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: AW: [RS] By Now better than Johnny's version? I already think that one is brilliant. which album is it on? Katrin PS: Vanessa - how are those German lessons going? > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Katrin, you're talking about "The Mercy Seat." And my god, > nick's version > is soooo much better. Johnny's sounds empty and emasculated > compared to the > nick cave version. I definitely urge you to check it out. :-) > > --V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:13:02 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] That song and misc. Should we start calling it "that song?" It sort of gives me the creeps even to write about it. It could be like "the scottish play" is used to refer to that certain bloody Shake a spear drama. Anyways, in some ways it reminds me of fishing. The narrator in fishing wants to take away either the immigrants freedom or his honor. But he is ever so benevolent about it. "After I rape your dignity you really ought to go out to Lake Ontario and enjoy a nice day off." Which is horrifyingly insensitive because of the circumstances and because this immigrant very likely couldn't possibly afford to go on a pleasure trip. "that song" is similar because our anti-hero is soooo benevolent and tries to instill confidence the same way - by being familiar. Most sex crimes are committed by your friends and family and neighbors. You may say, "not my friends and family and neighbors" but sadly your wrong. Run down to the police station some time and scan the sex offenders list. Believe me that will be alot worse than realizing "By Now" is a bad song. Our discussion of this made me wonder something new about this song. What is up with Mary Ann? Why does she have bags on the road late at night? Is she running away? Possibly from another abuser? That makes it even worse. But even more likely that she would be victimized. Gosh this song just gets worse. Must be why I generally avoid it. E Who loves Nick Cave's "Mercy Seat" a relentless driving angry song with a narrator with some kinship with the guy waiting for a storm. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:31:25 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #364 Hey you guys, Ron G. panted: >>And I can't wait to see the cover artwork and whether Richard will be barefoot on the back. And I can't wait to hear which songs came from which of the shows I saw. And I can't wait . . . << Let me guess...did you make him a big card? Gene F. (who is definitely hoping that 'Sonora Sessions' sticks as the title for the EP.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:33:56 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Good list. Good list. Not for nothin', but I just wanted to say that today's discussion is a microcosm of why I love this list . . . that we can go off on a thirty-post trip on one song. It's a testimony to the depth of Richard's songwriting/storytelling ability, and it's a testimony to all of you, and I just wanted to say thanks. RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:35:40 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #362 Hey, Laura, you definitely would not be the only one who doesn't listen to "By Now." I make it a general rule to run wildly to the CD player to make sure I set the CD back to Track One and start over again. It's just too scary. But trust me, seeing it live was a THOUSAND times more frightening. Like, not even the kind of scariness you joke about. Just the kind of scariness you hope you are never confronted with again! "By Now" just rings a little too close to home, you know what I mean? I'm a twenty year old girl who enjoys her freedom and I sometimes feel afraid going out by myself late at night but I do it anyway, because life is not about being afraid. Yet, the threat "By Now" articulates is just a liiittle too real. - --V LBECKLAW@aol.com wrote: > That does it. I can't listen to By Now any more, in the car or out. At least for a while. I feel shaken to my core my your analysis, which admittedly seems to ring true...I feel like I just found out Betty Crocker is not a real woman... > > Sigh, > Poor Poor Pitiful Me > Laura - -- "I still confuse mowing down with getting through." -Jeff Lang, "throw it all," from _Cedar Grove_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:36:46 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: NBW In a message dated 10/17/2001 9:24:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << It isn't clear whether the NBW narrator is a trucker. I see the lyrics >"whoever watches over all those truckers" being said by a guy seeing how >the truckers were protected and wanting some of that same protection with >the subtext being that he's just an ordinary car driver. >> Re: my prior posting to Norman (a.k.a. Nora), you are absolutely right. Still, somehow I classified Kenworth and NBW in the same category (Truckers/Road Trips), and NBW came out on top. Still one of my favorites. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:37:40 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: sounds like? In a message dated 10/17/2001 9:24:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Because the song sounds like the cry of a desperate sinner searching for redemption. >> Exactement, as the French truckers would say. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:43:28 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: sickeningly innocent Kristin, You are not alone. There's more than enough room in the Poor Misguided Souls Club , especially since Roxy recently abdicated her spot as VP to venture over to the Dark (mwhahahaha) Side. Welcome! Today's topic: Is it possible that Richard Shindell's evil twin (Mandy Patinkin) may have written By Now and other songs of evil, and that some of the listers have the MP version (Evil) while some of us have the RS version (Good)? Maybe a kind of creative Goofus and Gallant? Discuss among yourselves. Laura Friends of the Friendless ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #365 ***********************************