From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #361 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, October 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] movie title? [jim colbert ] [RS] Re: Laura's take on Sparrows Point [L8NiteBluz@aol.com] [RS] Re: Vindication? [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Laura's SP commentary ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] Al Recommendations for Norman [Lisa Davis & family ] Re: [RS] depressing Richard [Lisa Davis & family ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:25:52 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] movie title? > Castaway: A great one to add to my 3 a.m. lullaby arsenal. (Lisa, you were > right!) More I listen, more I like. For some obscure reason reminds me of > this great film I saw once about the Irish legend of a baby boy that came > from a seal skin--by John Sayles maybe? Was it legend of roan inish or something like that? This is driving me nuts cause there are a couple in that sort of genre I get confused on. I know it isn't peter kagan and the wind by gordon bok, the story/song...even though that's got a seal chick in it too! (I like gordon bok, even if he isn't very 'fashionable"... nice voice, some very good nautical songs.) jpc in sc pa where the skies are gray-green with the rain and the wind is blowing the leaves out of the trees...reminding me of the old fogelberg lyrics about yellows and grays paint the sad skies today. (And my apologies to that lister who cringes at the sound of the "f-word," er, "f-name!" ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:12:35 EDT From: L8NiteBluz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Laura's take on Sparrows Point I shared many of Laura's opinions of Sparrows Point, even after repeated listens. Having owned the CD for about two years now, I still find some of the lyrics rather cryptic and hard to pinpoint. Still being somewhat new to the list I've often wanted to ask the same question of "By Now"........why all of the ominous references....I will admit to also thinking it was a simple "nice old man picks up scared runaway" song. Guess I'm a misguided soul as well!!! :-) However, there is one thing I did pick up on early on that should have alerted me to the ominous tone.......is it just me or could RS be saying "BYE NOW" after saying "By Now?".....hmmmmmm..... Mark Who is still reeling from being a victim of Corporate downsizing this AM..... :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:05:01 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Vindication? Sue, God bless you for your support and bravery in coming forward with your true, inward thoughts on By Now. I feel less alone (and maybe a bit less stoopid) and wonder how many countless other listers who have remained silent until now may now step forward and speak from their hearts. Seriously, it feels good to be agreed with, even if we're both Wrong. Thanks! I needed that. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:10:42 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Laura's SP commentary Success! Another SP convert. We did good. >> How bipolar can you get when you are laughing out loud, weeping, nodding "yes!", shuddering, scowling, and smiling nostalgically, all within a time span of 45 minutes? I can only wonder what those other travellers stopped at the traffic light are thinking. << 45 minutes. That's some traffic light. ;-) See any nuns changing tires? >> The Courier: This is one of the songs that resonates more since 9/11 (hence the goosebumps), although I know it's probably about WW2. << I've seen some lines being about WW1 (or is that WWi) and others being about medevial wars (Chainmail). >> Other more illuminated listers have indicated that William Taylor is somehow a Bad Man. << Huh? Who sees that? >>The Kenworth of My Dreams-It's fun, it's funny, but I much prefer Next Best Western as a trucker's anthem. << It isn't clear whether the NBW narrator is a trucker. I see the lyrics "whoever watches over all those truckers" being said by a guy seeing how the truckers were protected and wanting some of that same protection with the subtext being that he's just an ordinary car driver. >>On a Sea of Fleur de Lis-My favorite melody, my most confused moment. I'm really lost here. Further frustrating me is the knowledge that this seems to be a favorite, almost universally revered by VSF's. Not getting this one (although I love it on some primal level) makes me doubt for my future as a RS VSF and indeed on this very List. There is Something Going On, that much I know, but beyond that...hunh? << Laura, even *Richard* doesn't understand this song. >>Nora: Another Boogie feeling of cluelessness, albeit not as much as FDL. Alternate theories include: it's about James Joyce's wife, Abelard & Heloise, a minister's wife who violated her marital vows, all of the above, none of the above. Love the line about Christmas angels. Who hasn't been mourning a lost love during the holiday season, resenting all of the friggin' merriment and good cheer while being in the depths of despair? << raises hand. YES My favorite of all time Richard song. Nor(m)a(n). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:02:13 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Al Recommendations for Norman Elwestrand wrote: > > Now for Ms. Davis's opinion........ > > E > > Who's very first concert was the Year of the Cat tour. Hm......... possibly mine was too, 1977 (?) Tower Theater, Philadelphia, but in my case, I was full of disdain for what I considered his "sellout" album!!! :) Not that it's a bad song really -- quite beautifully written -- I just don't go for sax solos, I guess. Oh, I know what it is: not depressing enough!!!! The early Al would depress enough for any lover of "Nora"! the difference I think being that the Depressing Al can be truly bleak, the only saving grace being a kind of distance, a kind of what is it, "weltschmertz," whereas the Depressing Richard actually *isn't,* even if the lyric is depressing the music typically lifts and soars in the last verse, there is a promise of salvation and triumph, as befits the Seminarian. Sometimes I think "Blue Divide" is the most quintessential Shindell song. I wonder if this isn't the difference between the committed atheist (I have to guess that is where Al comes out) and the only temporarily agnostic (perhaps Richard?). Well, both of them write songs you can chew on, which is an endorsement anyway. And some great images. Hey, maybe we can convert a few Shindellians and start our *own* Al Stewart mailing list. (Although after 7 years' worth I don't think I'd have anything else to say!) lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:05:19 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Young doe in the high beams. Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > > I remember telling Richard once that a list-member was trying to convince the rest of us that the song was merely about a nice old man giving a young hitchhiker a ride. And Richard laughed and said "Oh, poor misguided soul." probably me! I couldn't hear all that evil coming through *Richard's* voice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:20:27 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Young doe in the high beams. April 2000 The Point Bryn Mawr, PA Lisa Davis & family wrote of "By Now": > I couldn't hear all that evil coming through *Richard's* voice! - -- "I still confuse mowing down with getting through." -Jeff Lang, "throw it all," from _Cedar Grove_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:09:00 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Laura's take on Sparrows Point hey, our collective sympathies. Go listen to the "mary Ellen Carter," Stan Rogers. Rise again! L8NiteBluz@aol.com wrote: > > listens. Having owned the CD for about two years now, I still find some of > the lyrics rather cryptic and hard to pinpoint. That's the POINT!!! That's why some of us love it! lisa davis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:14:20 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] depressing Richard Lisa wrote: >> the difference I think being that the Depressing Al can be truly bleak, the only saving grace being a kind of distance, a kind of what is it, "weltschmertz," whereas the Depressing Richard actually *isn't,* even if the lyric is depressing the music typically lifts and soars in the last verse, there is a promise of salvation and triumph, as befits the Seminarian. Sometimes I think "Blue Divide" is the most quintessential Shindell song. << Well, I don't see BD as a depressing song. It starts off low and bitter but his love comes across the blue divide to him...it's a happy ending! (Likewise, Dar's "After All" is soooooo NOT depressing). Nora-- depressing but a hint of hope, or at least reconcilation. >>Hey, maybe we can convert a few Shindellians and start our *own* Al Stewart mailing list. (Although after 7 years' worth I don't think I'd have anything else to say!) << If you do that, then I'll be the grasshopper. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:19:51 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] depressing Richard "Norman A. Johnson" wrote: > Seminarian. Sometimes I think "Blue Divide" is the most quintessential > Shindell song. << > > Well, I don't see BD as a depressing song. It starts off low and bitter but > his love comes across the blue divide to him...it's a happy ending! I guess that's my point, although to be sure, the lyric isn't depressing either. It's the music itself I was thinking of though. > (Likewise, Dar's "After All" is soooooo NOT depressing). Nora-- depressing > but a hint of hope, or at least reconcilation. or at least, "no sin." God, (!) it would almost be worth it to send a compilation Al tape to every RS list member for the sole reason of CREATING a new set of "fans" who are actually human beings, and then talking to them ! :) like having children! :) lisa davis (alas, whose daughter loves Britney and whose son prefers instrumentals...) ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #361 ***********************************