From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #341 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 341 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down ["Brian Williamson" ] [RS] Baez/Griffin ["Dave McKay" ] [RS] My Joan story [Roxylee ] [RS] Are they any good? ARE THEY ANY GOOD????????? [Katie Mahoney ] Re: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down [Howie Subject: Re: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down Joan is responsible for introducing me to Richard, too. He was touring with her as part of the GFD tour. In a pretty neat twist, though, the night before her scheduled concert here in town, the Indigo Girls were here for a concert. I had tix for that one, too. In the middle of the IG concert, Joan walks onto stage (as she was in town for her concert the next night). She brought this guy named Shindell with her onto the IG stage. He stopped the show by singing this song called "Next Best Western". Our (musical) lives have never been the same. We got to see him (and, oh, Joan too of course) the very next night and he did a few other songs too, both with Joan and solo. It was all pretty cool and a memorable way to get introduced to such a talented performer. brian. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katrin Uhl To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: AW: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down > > Hey you guys, > > > > Norman asked, primarily for the purpose of answering: > > > > >>Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? << > > > > The sound you just heard was Ron G. leaving the room. > > > > ... and it > > put him in front of a lot of people who might never have > > heard his music > > otherwise. > > like me :) > okay - I would have heard his music a bit later than, because Dar would have > brought me to Cry3, but Joan was indeed the one who introduced me to Richard > by, now that Ron left the room I can say it out loud: covering his songs on > GFD. Same goes for my mom and a bunch of my friends actually. > > Katrin > :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:48:28 -0700 From: John Alvord Subject: Re: [RS] A different question about Joan On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:51:00 -0400, "Norman A. Johnson" wrote: >Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? > >I don't think so. I think it was Cry3 that helped Richard much more. He was >exposed to a larger audience, mostly Dar's. I also think being around Dar >and Lucy loosened him up some and helped with his stage precence. And for >some reason, things really took off after SNP. > >Thoughts? Before versus after... a lot more stage presence and stories, looking at the audience, general ease. One curiosity... In the first recording I have of Calling the Moon (Dar at FRFF 1999) she sounds very Dar-like. On SNP, Richard has some very unique vocal manerisms... curlicues at the end of phrases... and on The Green World and later recordings Dar echoes those curlicues very closely. I wonder who copied whom? john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:25:29 +0100 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Baez/Griffin Norman: > Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? I'm sure his cut of the proceeds from GFD helped to pay a few bills! Pat: > I have heard an absolutely scintillating version of Tom and Kathleen > Brennan's (his wife) "Take It With Me" from _Mule Variations_ as > performed by Patty Griffin. I *think* I heard that she intends on > including it on her new CD, but her website appears to be as current as > Dar's!! The keys to her website appear still to be held by her *former* record company, who canned Silver Bell, her new CD, earlier this year. She's been released from her contract though, and is recording new material. Ron G: > By the way, Kris Delmhorst's new record, "Five Stores" is terrific. Amen to that! :-) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:09:18 -0400 From: Roxylee Subject: [RS] My Joan story OK, I wasn't going to admit this, but I used to idolize Joan Baez. (Ron, feel free to run, screaming). When I say idolize, I am not exaggerating. I mean, Katrin had nothing on me here. I wanted to BE Joan. She was the goddess and I was her devoted follower. It was 1968, I was 15, and I was just like the girl in Cheryl Wheeler's _Music in My Room._ Joan was at the folk fest, and so was Jerry Jeff. I was in heaven. It was my first time, ever, hearing anyone perform in concert. I had to get new threads, this was the occasion of a lifetime. Remember the Nehru jacket? Ugh. Anyway,you can picture me, this skinny, bespectacled girl in a Nehru jacket and brown corduroy bell-bottom jeans (the only sale items I could afford), running around in a sweltering August PA field , searching for my idol. I was let loose in a place where I knew everyone, without having to say a word to anyone. I was painfully shy, but not when it came to being around people who actually *understood.*Suddenly I saw her!! It was after her set and she was walking toward a side parking lot. I ran, following the goddess, and could hardly believe my luck. Here I was, standing not a foot away from HER. Being a Joan fanatic, I knew enough not to ask for her autograph, but asked instead if I might shake her hand. It was a holy moment to me. Just then, my little sister caught up to me and I turned to her excitedly and blurted out " I touched her!" I'll never forget what Joan said then. "What did you think would happen, that my skin would bubble?" That's my Joan story. I don't feel that way now about her. I have grown and matured to where I can separate the person from the music. (OK, with the exception of Jonathan Edwards- I'd marry him if he asked). But I digress... I hardly ever listen to JB now. This is mainly because I much prefer artists who use their voices as a vehicle to make us feel the words, as opposed to those who seem to use the words as a vehicle for their lovely voices. This is the feeling I get when I listen to JB. It seems to be about her voice, not the story she is trying to tell. This is, of course, just my opinion. I love RS because he uses his voice to weave, to hint, to infer, to transport us to a place where we are encouraged to think about what the song could mean, not just hear his take on it. Am I making any sense, do you know what I mean? I still listen to Joan occasionally, and sing along, but it doesn't affect me as it used to. That's my 2 cents worth. Roxy, listening to Every Single Day at the moment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:51:04 -0400 From: Katie Mahoney Subject: [RS] Are they any good? ARE THEY ANY GOOD????????? >>> So are they any good? << > >You could say that. And as soon as you >get "Sparrows Point," your next assignment, >Grasshopper, is to get Dave Carter & Tracy >Grammer's "When I Go," "Tanglewood >Tree" or "Drum Hat Buddha." > >If they don't change your life, I'll shave. And I'll, uh, tell Ron that he's been right all along about Joan Baez. Ciao! Katie, The Obsessed-With-Dave-And-Tracy One ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:56:37 -0400 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Tom Waits for no man I LOVE Tom Waits. And, if you want to hear an amazing album which also shows that covers can be done incredibly well, get Holly Cole's "Temptation". Delivery so smoky your eyes will water, but music so smooth you won't notice. Track list: Take Me Home Train Song Jersey Girl Temptation Falling Down Invitation To The Blues Cinny's Waltz Frank's Theme Little Boy Blue I Don't Wanna Grow Up Tango Til They're Sore (Looking For) The Heart Of Saturday Night Soldiers Things I Want You Good Old World The Briar And The Rose - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:02:22 -0400 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down At 03:54 PM 10/4/2001 -0400, Gene F wrote: > Any exposure is good exposure, and Joan definitely provided it for him. Tell that to Paul Rubens! (Pee Wee Herman!) (If you got this far, never mind!!) - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:14:40 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: My Joan story >> This is mainly because I much prefer artists who use their voices as a vehicle to make us feel the words, as opposed to those who seem to use the words as a vehicle for their lovely voices. This is the feeling I get when I listen to JB. << So sayeth Roxy, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Give me a voice with character, a voice that can transport me INTO the story, a voice that's not afraid to show its flaws and scars. A voice that can make me believe that it belongs to both a sadistic INS agent as well as a poor persecuted fisherman . . . in the same song. That, to me, is the mark of a great singer. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:15:03 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Joan Jive >>> By the way, Kris Delmhorst's new record, "Five Stores" is terrific. Ditto for Darryl Purpose's "A Crooked Line." I also like Lucy's "Every Single Day" more and more. And I'm fanatically in love with the new Diana Krall w/ the London Symphony Orchestra. Talk about lush. <<< >> Hey, pal . . . you left Rachael Davis off that list!! << OK, Rachael's a lush, too. ;-))))) RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #341 ***********************************