From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #340 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 340 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] A different question about Joan ["Norman A. Johnson" ] AW: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (] Re: [RS] Joan Jive [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Re: Tom Waits for no man [patrick t power ] [RS] "Behind The Mule" [patrick t power ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:51:00 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] A different question about Joan Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? I don't think so. I think it was Cry3 that helped Richard much more. He was exposed to a larger audience, mostly Dar's. I also think being around Dar and Lucy loosened him up some and helped with his stage precence. And for some reason, things really took off after SNP. Thoughts? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:35:47 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: you guys (and girls) are awesome Brothers and sisters, sha-men and sha-women, You guys make me LOL at e-mail, something I've never really done (more like a nearly-inaudible snicker, kind of like that cartoon dog Muttley-remember him?) before I saw the light, or at least the half-opened door towards the light. I wonder, am I being made sport of, or am I just really an easy read: how did you know I owned the NOW CD collection vol 1-7 and was thinking of selling it on Ebay so I could afford my Stanley Kaplan RSAT preparation classes and the countless CD's of obscure folk artists (all good, I realize) you are all telling me to buy? Like, wow!! I am totally enjoying the new John Gorka (new to me, that is)--so far, I like the first cut (so sue me), Abraham, and the company I keep. While his voice doesnt make the tiny hairs on the back of my neck stand up (like other voices, you know who they are), I could get to like him alot. I did see him once in concert with Lucy K., in Stamford CT, and enjoyed both their duets and his solos. Speaking of tiny hairs standing up, I have to admit (now that it's safe) that Diamonds and Rust has always brought tears to my eyes and left me weak-kneed, still does. Don't know about her other stuff too much (guess you're not loving her Reunion Hill cover?!?) but I would have to say there are a number of women songstresses I would easily rank behind Joan B. And if she's actually helped promote and support Richard, Dave and Tracey, and others who you do like, how bad can she be? Keep the laughs coming, Laura P.S. Reading a great new book: Paris to the Moon by Adam Gopnik, A must read for any Francophiles or even just devotees of french fries. He's a great writer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:41:37 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: the nutmeg state In a message dated 10/4/2001 3:13:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Read my review of it at Hugh Blumenthal's Folk Music at About.Com (along with my review of Drum Hat Buddha). And by the way, Ridgefield, CT. is a great place--I was married there and our wedding license is in your town hall. May return some day, especially since my daughter may be going to college in Connecticut next year. >> Hey Ron, I live in Southport, CT but Ridgefield, a more pastoral and beautiful village, is 20 minutes away, 30 if you take the back roads. Did you get married at the Elms? Where is your daughter thinking of going to college? I'm going through a similar process, although I'm reviewing potential preschools for my daughter. Believe me when I tell you that the process for preschool here in Fairfield County has the backbiting and competitiveness of the college application process--signing kids up in utero is de riguer, and you must apply to at least 4 preschools (including a safety) to get in. I won't go into the financials, but I'm sure they're on a par with college tuition. Oy. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:54:12 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down Hey you guys, Norman asked, primarily for the purpose of answering: >>Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? << The sound you just heard was Ron G. leaving the room. I don't see how it could have hurt, exactly. I mean, people who already liked Richard weren't going to stop liking him because of Joan Baez, and it put him in front of a lot of people who might never have heard his music otherwise. Now, the question of whether the Joan connection or the Cry3 connection was more fruitful is a different one altogether. Any exposure is good exposure, and Joan definitely provided it for him. You can say, as Ron D. has, that she needs Richard (and D&T) more at this stage than they need her, but I don't see them turning her away, either. Overall, however, my feeling is that she does provide a lot of support for many up-and-coming artists. But, so does the Ford Foundation, and I don't want to hear them singing 'Reunion Hill' either. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:17:27 -0400 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Tom Waits for no man RonG wrote: >So what if he sings like a guy who just washed down a handful of sand with >a bottle of bourbon . . . He's someone who, like Springsteen and unlike Dylan, has a voice that matches what he writes perfectly. Other people have covered Tom, but his versions are always the best. Though, if you want Tom Waits Lite, check out John Hammond's album Wicked Grin, which is an album of Waits covers. (Waits himself produced it.) It's got the best cover of Jockey Full of Bourbon I've heard. jeff. - -- If I was afraid to break or bleed I would find someone much easier to need --Dave Carter - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:16:16 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: AW: [RS] The Night They Drove Old Grittzie Down > Hey you guys, > > Norman asked, primarily for the purpose of answering: > > >>Do you think the Joan B. connection helped Richard? << > > The sound you just heard was Ron G. leaving the room. > > ... and it > put him in front of a lot of people who might never have > heard his music > otherwise. like me :) okay - I would have heard his music a bit later than, because Dar would have brought me to Cry3, but Joan was indeed the one who introduced me to Richard by, now that Ron left the room I can say it out loud: covering his songs on GFD. Same goes for my mom and a bunch of my friends actually. Katrin :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:01:29 -0400 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Joan Jive RavinRon Rote: <> Hey, pal . . . you left Rachael Davis off that list!! Pat www.rachaelbdavis.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:19:11 -0400 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Tom Waits for no man About Tomcat Waits, Jeff wrote: <> I have heard an absolutely scintillating version of Tom and Kathleen Brennan's (his wife) "Take It With Me" from _Mule Variations_ as performed by Patty Griffin. I *think* I heard that she intends on including it on her new CD, but her website appears to be as current as Dar's!! Anyone on her e-mail list? Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:59:08 -0400 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] "Behind The Mule" Laura asked: <> That would be Tom Waits, and Tom has a song called "Tom Traubert's Blues (Four Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen)": Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did, I've got what I paid for now See you tomorrow, hey Frank, can I borrow a couple of bucks from you To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me I'm an innocent victim of a blinded alley And I'm tired of all these soldiers here No one speaks English, and everything's broken, and my Stacys are soaking wet To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me Now the dogs are barking and the taxi cab's parking A lot they can do for me I begged you to stab me, you tore my shirt open, And I'm down on my knees tonight Old Bushmill's I staggered, you'd bury the dagger In your silhouette window light go To go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me Now I lost my Saint Christopher now that I've kissed her And the one-armed bandit knows And the maverick Chinamen, and the cold-blooded signs, And the girls down by the strip-tease shows, go Waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me No, I don't want your sympathy, the fugitives say That the streets aren't for dreaming now And manslaughter dragnets and the ghosts that sell memories, They want a piece of the action anyhow Go waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me And you can ask any sailor, and the keys from the jailor, And the old men in wheelchairs know And Mathilda's the defendant, she killed about a hundred, And she follows wherever you may go Waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda, You'll go waltzing Mathilda with me And it's a battered old suitcase to a hotel someplace, And a wound that will never heal No prima donna, the perfume is on an Old shirt that is stained with blood and whiskey And goodnight to the street sweepers, the night watchmen flame keepers And goodnight to Mathilda, too _________________________________________ Pat ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #340 ***********************************