From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #339 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 339 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] For Laura [Tom926@aol.com] Re: [RS] For Laura [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #338 [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: joan baez [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Joan Jive [RockinRonD@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: tough luck ["Amanda Bennett Thomas"] Re: [RS] Re: joan baez [Jeff Gilson ] [RS] bogle [jim colbert ] [RS] many years ago in college, don't laugh (Dar Williams) ["Norman A. Jo] [RS] Tom Waits for no man ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Tom Waits for no man [Rongrittz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:18:54 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] For Laura Hi Laura: Welcome to the wacky world of the RS list. Your posts have been a ton o' fun. This is my Joan pitch. So I thought I would warn people upfront. Yes, she can sing like the uptight schoolmarm from hell on a chilly winter evening. Yes, she is often overly clipped in her phrasing. Yes, there is such a thing as "too precise." BUT. She has wonderful instincts for great songs and great songwriters. Her voice--vibrato and all--is truly beautiful and has sent so many chills up my spine you would think I suffer from a neurological condition. And hey--great song selection and a beautiful voice and I am there hon. Anyone who wants to experience Joan would probably be best to hear her early albums where she specialized in the Childe Ballads and those famous songwriters Trad and Anon. Her purity of tone and her formal approach work best there it seems. Then work your way through the later stuff. "Diamonds and Rust" is a good place to start with singer/songwriter Joan. 98 Degrees of Pederast Backstreet NSync Boy Bands? NO Joan? YES. Ok--I am done with the soapbox now if anyone needs it. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:31:05 +0200 (MEST) From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: Re: [RS] For Laura watch out - I'm joining Tom on his soapbox... :) Tom926@aol.com schrieb: > She has wonderful instincts for great songs and great > songwriters. > Her voice--vibrato and all--is truly beautiful and has > sent so many chills up > my spine you would think I suffer from a neurological > condition. > And hey--great song selection and a beautiful voice and I > am there hon. Tom, you're my man! :) I actually started writing a reply to this thread before I left for work but decided to give it a rest... but you said it all, Tom! Let me add though that I love the voice of the "aging well-Joan" much better than the achingly pure soprano of the early years. IMHO, her voice nowadays has a warmth and depth that is rare - a quality that she shares, again IMHO, with Richard. > > Anyone who wants to experience Joan would probably be > best to hear her early > albums where she specialized in the Childe Ballads and > those famous > songwriters Trad and Anon. I'd also suggest the three CD set "Rare, live, and classic" which covers her work up until the mid 90s and features a few, rare, previously unreleased cuts. In the end of course it all comes down to the fact that music is a matter of taste and that's nothing one can really argue about, but I have to admit I have a hard time reading posts that speak so lowly of the musical qualities of someone who has been one of the musical loves of my life, and the one who started all this wonderful folk-scene thing for me. best, Katrin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:27:53 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #338 Norm, This may be one of my RSAT questions, but didn't RS and JK go to college together? Not too precocious, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:30:32 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: joan baez Doesn't someone else, the guy who sings that great song "Get Behind the Mule" (having a senior moment and forgetting his name, but you will know)sing Waltzing Matilda too? Or is he on this cryptic s-it list too? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:08:09 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Joan Jive Hey Laura...My experience buying CD's from Amazon.Com has always been terrific. I get them within a day or two usually, and they're always packed well. I even think the prices are damned good--much better than my local borders or local music shop. And fear not for liking Joan Baez...many on these lists do indeed like her and are grateful to her for giving such a crucial leg up to both Dar and Richard. Now she's doing it for Dave & Tracy. Some may say she needs them more than they need her. While that may be true, since she doesn't write particularly, in my view, everyone benefits from her efforts, especially us. Hopefully Dave & Tracy will reach and garner a much wider audience for their tremendous talents on this tour (read: sell more CD's = money income) and they can ease up from the drudgery of a life on the road. God knows these two work incredibly hard, they deserve some rest. As for John Gorka's new record--I'm one of those who actually likes it. A lot. Read my review of it at Hugh Blumenthal's Folk Music at About.Com (along with my review of Drum Hat Buddha). And by the way, Ridgefield, CT. is a great place--I was married there and our wedding license is in your town hall. May return some day, especially since my daughter may be going to college in Connecticut next year. By the way, Kris Delmhorst's new record, "Five Stores" is terrific. Ditto for Darryl Purpose's "A Crooked Line." I also like Lucy's "Every Single Day" more and more. And I'm fanatically in love with the new Diana Krall w/ the London Symphony Orchestra. Talk about lush. RonD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:35:42 est From: "Amanda Bennett Thomas" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: tough luck Ok, I have to give you Sam Goody/Coconuts but I don't even waste my time in those places anymore :) At least at B&N you can get a good book too! The B&N in Devon, PA is terrible but then Borders in Rosemont is awesome -- that's where I wind up finding most of my music. Amanda ><< The problem isn't your locale, it's Barnes and Noble -- having worked >there I can offically say they have the worst folk music department of any >chain store. >> > >Worse than Sam Goody/Coconuts? I find that pretty hard to believe. >Actually, the Barnes and Noble in Paramus, NJ has a pretty darn comprehensive >folk department, so maybe it just varies from store to store. > >RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:46:29 -0400 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Re: joan baez At 08:30 10/04/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Doesn't someone else, the guy who sings that great song "Get Behind the >Mule" (having a senior moment and forgetting his name, but you will >know)sing Waltzing Matilda too? Or is he on this cryptic s-it list too? Tom Waits, and that's a different Matilda. Tom's song is "Tom Troubert's Blues" and he wrote it himself. jeff. - -- If I was afraid to break or bleed I would find someone much easier to need --Dave Carter - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:07:09 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] bogle > >On another (non related) note, what is it about Joan Baez that makes her so > >reviled? > > Listen to Eric Bogle sing his "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda". Then > listen to JB's rendition. Then you'll know. Ouch! It would hard to argue with that example. Especially if you're familiar with some of the early, live, stark, gritty versions Eric did. Not the world's greatest vocalist, but good Lord, the honesty in his delivery. Talk about getting your point across. jpc not really feeling forty... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:05:28 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] many years ago in college, don't laugh (Dar Williams) Laura asked: >>This may be one of my RSAT questions, but didn't RS and JK go to college together? >> If by JK you mean John Gorka, then yes. Moravian College in the late 70s. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:50:20 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Tom Waits for no man Hey you guys, Laura, referring to Tom Waits, asked: >>Or is he on this cryptic s-it list too? << Nope. Well, at least not mine. For me, the best of Tom Waits comes at the very beginning (Heart of Saturday Night, Closing Time) and most recent (1999's amazing Mule Variations) parts of his career. I know we've been making stringent financial demands on you recently, but maybe the NOW 1 thru 7 CDs could go back to the used CD shop, and you could nab these three terrific discs in trade. By the way, I also like Gorka's 'The Company You Keep' a lot. Wisheries is one of my favorite tunes of the year. Call me an ignoramimous..uh ignoranimous, that's the word, but I do like it. Gene F. (sending out a big 'Ni!' to Gary, and remaining silent on the Joan Baez thing, since the nervous twitch I developed upon hearing Gone From Danger has not quite subsided) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:11:04 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Tom Waits for no man >> For me, the best of Tom Waits comes at the very beginning (Heart of Saturday Night, Closing Time) and most recent (1999's amazing Mule Variations) parts of his career. << See, the Waits stuff that does it for me is the middle period: "Small Change" (with "Tom Traubert's Blues" and "The Piano Has Been Drinking") and "Heart Attack and Vine" (with "Jersey Girl" -- written for listers Nancy and Fran, no doubt -- and the beautiful "On the Nickel") are my personal favorites. So what if he sings like a guy who just washed down a handful of sand with a bottle of bourbon . . . RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #339 ***********************************