From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #309 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, September 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: O Canada Girls [Kerry Bernard ] [RS] Re: Kevin Spacey and "worth reading" [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: not in our son's name [LBECKLAW@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: not in our son's name [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Re: not in our son's name ["L. Davis" ] [RS] Kevin Spacey ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] I was born in the cold war ["Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Re: O Canada Girls Kate wrote: >>Does Richard Shindell ever tour in Canada? And Norman wrote: >>Paging Kerry Bernard, paging Kerry Bernard. ;-) This poor Kate is going to start wondering why every time she mentions Canada, someone tosses my name at her. But yes, Richard has done some shows in Canada (Montreal, Ottawa, etc) but no extensive touring. I'm not sure where in Ontario you are, Kate, but you can probably safely assume that Richard will be back through the province at some point again. A fellow Canadian who, today, is deeply mourning the death of Mr. Dressup, Kerry (http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/09/18/coombs_010918) ================================================= Kerry Bernard kerry@younghunter.com Young/Hunter Management 781.643.2773 (ph) 350 Mass Ave, #230 781.643.0416 (fax) Arlington, MA 02474 http://www.younghunter.com ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:12:49 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Kevin Spacey and "worth reading" D'ya really think Richard looks like Kevin Spacey? I'm trying to make this work, but have to say it's a stretch for me. Maybe because we always thought our daughter looked like Kevin Spacey (hairline and otherwise) when she was born...there was a lot of 'splaining to do there. On a more serious note, I'm forwarding something worth reading (IMHO) that I have not yet seen posted here. I apologize for the Richard-irrelevance and if anyone takes offense...I realize this is not usually a forum for geo-political stuff, but maybe all of this communal venting will provide some sort of sense, if not comfort. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:17:27 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: not in our son's name In a message dated 9/18/2001 4:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << I found Lisa Davis' thoughts on her own children so moving and provocative. There's been so much solace and comfort drawn from the "little blessings" of our children since last Tuesday! One question, though: how does a parent explain or make sense of this stuff when a 5 year old child asks questions? Is it our job to protect and thus shield young ones from all of this reality, or are we responsible for sharing the truth when they ask for it? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:57:25 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Re: not in our son's name Well, I think that if a kid is asking questions, they ought to be answered as truthfully and responsibly as possible. I think I, for one, would prefer to have lived in a world where I knew that things like this could happen. It would have made 9-11 much less of a shock, and it would not have forced me to give up some very comforting basic assumptions, as I would not have had them to lose in the first place. My generation (I am twenty) was raised to believe that we were totally safe on American soil and our government was so powerful that if someone had told me on Monday that four commercial planes might be hijacked and turned into cruise missiles used to bomb the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and that thousands of innocents would lose their lives, I would have thought them completely insane. That, however, was not the case. It is one thing to let a child have his or her innocence, but quite another to set them up for a major fall. I think the best thing to do is to give kids the truth. They know something's going on anyway--they're much smarter and more perceptive than we give them credit for. - --Vanessa LBECKLAW@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/2001 4:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << I found Lisa Davis' thoughts on her own children so moving and provocative. > There's been so much solace and comfort drawn from the "little blessings" of > our children since last Tuesday! One question, though: how does a parent > explain or make sense of this stuff when a 5 year old child asks questions? > Is it our job to protect and thus shield young ones from all of this reality, > or are we responsible for sharing the truth when they ask for it? > Laura - -- "I still confuse mowing down with getting through." -Jeff Lang, "throw it all," from _Cedar Grove_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Davis" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: not in our son's name WEll, not being 20, being instead, 41, I remember growing up with the constant fear of a mushroom cloud on my horizon. I remember being steeped in apocalyptic "after the bomb" sci-fi, I remember Dr. Strangelove as the paradigm of my future. And no, it didn't make the 11th any easier. In this case, it's like one of those Twilight Zone things (again, you may not remember!)where there is a horrible story and you wake up because it was just a bad dream... but in teh closing sequence it starts happening again and you know it was not a bad dream, after all, because what you woke up to is the same. So for those in my age-group, "just when we thought it was safe" to live in the world, we are brutally reminded, that it isn't. The old familiar panic is reawakened. I'm being honest with my kids because they're old enough. The tough part isn't them knowing the facts, it's being an agnostic/90% atheist that is tough. I've decided that me raising this is an intellectual luxury they cannot afford. So for now, if I can tell them about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy with a straighht face, the least I can do is tell them about God and the certain victory of goodness, whether or not I believe it. Lisa Davis ... wondering if she's repeating herself -- age being what it is :) :) :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:46:13 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Kevin Spacey Laura wrote: >>D'ya really think Richard looks like Kevin Spacey? << Yes. I didn't see it till a review of SNP mentioned RS having a KS quality to him... but after reading that, I see the resemblance. It's not just the hairline... RS and KS both have this unassuming, everyman quality about them. Bought today: EVERY SINGLE DAY (!!!), tickets for Dave and Tracy on Sunday and the Nields in December. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:52:32 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] I was born in the cold war Lisa wrote: >>WEll, not being 20, being instead, 41, I remember growing up with the constant fear of a mushroom cloud on my horizon. I remember being steeped in apocalyptic "after the bomb" sci-fi, I remember Dr. Strangelove as the paradigm of my future. << At 35, I think my experience is more like Lisa's than Vanessa's. I was almost 13 when the accident happened at Three Mile Island. Remember "The China Syndrome"? The year I started high school, American hostages were seized in Iran.... There was a running tally of the events ...."America Held Hostage, Day xxx". ABC's coverage of the hostage crisis morphed into Nightline. The country felt helpless. Gas prices soared, there were long lines at the pumps and even/odd rationing. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was about the same time. We boycotted the Olympics in response. In 1980, a rescue mission to get the hostages failed, choppers were lost in the desert. These events were a good part of the reason why Carter lost in 1980 and why we got Reagan and the revival of the Cold War. Talk of the "evil empire". Reagan thought the mics were off and remarked, "I've signed legislation outlawing Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes". Yes, he actually said that!! In 1983 one of the most watched shows was "The Day After" about the horrific aftermath of a nuclear war. We didn't have the illusion that we would be safe by following a "Duck and cover" drill... We doubted whether we would make the next century. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:40:03 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: [RS] Teach Your Children (Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young) Laura asked: << One question, though: how does a parent explain or make sense of this stuff when a 5 year old child asks questions? Is it our job to protect and thus shield young ones from all of this reality, or are we responsible for sharing the truth when they ask for it? >> I run a preschool with 225 two- through five-year-olds in attendance - on Tuesday, September 11, we walked the fine line of keeping things "business as usual" so the children had no idea anything was different... and setting up a media control center in the teacher workroom so our staff could satisfy their need for information. Parents streamed through the doors all day long to pick up their children early, not so much for security reasons as to have them close by - we all couldn't wait to hold our loved ones dear as soon as possible. To feel as if I was doing something tangible, I did some research to share with our families - here follows two links: Attack on America: Helping your kids understand the unthinkable Talking to Kids about Tragedy One of our Pre-K classes held a bake sale today, with all proceeds benefitting the Red Cross - they raised $200, and it felt like a million... < 3 Susan "...and the only word for love is everybody's name..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #309 ***********************************