From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #278 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 22 2001 Volume 03 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters [Howie ] Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters [jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord)] Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters [Howie ] [RS] Wisteria [Eyeamawake@aol.com] [RS] actually about Cold Missouri Waters [Howie ] [RS] That's what I hear in the Wisteria ["Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters At 06:32 AM 8/21/2001 -0700, John wrote: >On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Marshall A. Levin wrote: > > > It is certainly one of his best covers. But I think the distinction of > > "best disaster song" has to go to "Captain Torres," a song about > sailors who > > know their ship is sinking and have no hope of surviving but are able to > > make one final phone call to their families. I'd rate "Cold Missouri >The captain himself never got to make the call. Years later Keelaghan sang >the song in New Zeeland and was approached by Torres' widow who thanked >him for the words. I think Captain Torres' wife would have been too old to tell James anything. On July 13th, 1733, the New Spain Fleet, loaded with trade goods from Mexico and the Far East, left Havana Harbor for its return voyage to Spain. The flagship El Rubi Segundo would lead the three armed galleons and eighteen merchant ships (called naos) back to Europe. Only a few days into the voyage, Captain Torres sensed a tropical storm approaching. He knew that the fleet was trapped in the confined area between the Florida Keys and the Bahamas. Much like cowboys would ambush their enemies in a canyon in the Old West, this hurricane was about to ambush the fleet in the maritime canyon known as the Straits of Florida. By nightfall most of the ships had been scattered 80 miles up and down the Florida Keys. Only the 500 ton Nuestra Senora de Rosario returned safely to Havana to seek help. (Source: http://www.subaquatics.com/ocssdi/newsletters/TANews.html ) Ironic, yes? - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:42:48 GMT From: jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord) Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:40:50 -0400, Howie wrote: >At 06:32 AM 8/21/2001 -0700, John wrote: >>On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Marshall A. Levin wrote: >> >> > It is certainly one of his best covers. But I think the distinction of >> > "best disaster song" has to go to "Captain Torres," a song about >> sailors who >> > know their ship is sinking and have no hope of surviving but are able to >> > make one final phone call to their families. I'd rate "Cold Missouri >>The captain himself never got to make the call. Years later Keelaghan sang >>the song in New Zeeland and was approached by Torres' widow who thanked >>him for the words. > >I think Captain Torres' wife would have been too old to tell James >anything. On July 13th, 1733, the New Spain Fleet, loaded with trade goods >from Mexico and the Far East, left Havana Harbor for its return voyage to >Spain. The flagship El Rubi Segundo would lead the three armed galleons and >eighteen merchant ships (called naos) back to Europe. Only a few days into >the voyage, Captain Torres sensed a tropical storm approaching. He knew >that the fleet was trapped in the confined area between the Florida Keys >and the Bahamas. Much like cowboys would ambush their enemies in a canyon >in the Old West, this hurricane was about to ambush the fleet in the >maritime canyon known as the Straits of Florida. By nightfall most of the >ships had been scattered 80 miles up and down the Florida Keys. Only the >500 ton Nuestra Senora de Rosario returned safely to Havana to seek >help. (Source: http://www.subaquatics.com/ocssdi/newsletters/TANews.html >) Ironic, yes? > The disaster JK sang about happened on an ore carrier in the Saint Lawrence. john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:09:54 -0400 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Cold Missouri Waters At 12:42 AM 8/22/2001 +0000, John wrote: > > >The disaster JK sang about happened on an ore carrier in the Saint >Lawrence. Hmm, I think the ship was a freighter, named Captain Torres and that it went down in December 1989 in the Cabot Strait off the coast of Cape Breton, which is part of Nova Scotia. From See Magazine (http://www.greatwest.ca/see/Issues/1999/0401/mus2.htm) Then there's a song like Captain Torres, inspired by Silver Donald Cameron's book Wind, Whales, and Whiskey. Keelaghan called it "a look at just how far we've come in dealing with Mother Nature and how modern technology has changed the nature of modern catastrophes, making them instant and chillingly personal." I have not been able to find the name of the man who was the Captain if the ship Captain Torres, though. - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:35:22 EDT From: Eyeamawake@aol.com Subject: [RS] Wisteria Question about my favorite RS song ... Wisteria. I'm interested in how everything "hears" the song ... in particular, who's house is the song's character driving by? I've learned that each of us forms impressions about songs (and everything else) based on our own experiences. When I first heard the song, my parents and I had just severed all ties (they're alcoholic), and I pictured the song's character as driving by the house and being afraid to knock on the door and say hello ... and realizing that sometimes it's best to "just let it be" ... How do others "hear" the song??? Brian from Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:48:31 -0400 From: Howie Subject: [RS] actually about Cold Missouri Waters In surfing around, I came to this site that stopped me in my virtual tracks. http://www.missoulian.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/1999/April/21-446-news5.txt It's about some students at Helena High School who decided to tell the Mann Gulch story. The fourth paragraph got me: "They looked like us," said Crystal Warsinski. - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:31:59 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] That's what I hear in the Wisteria Brian wrote: >>I'm interested in how everything "hears" the song ... in particular, who's house is the song's character driving by? << Ok, the way I hear the song is that it's the house the narrator and his wife USED to live in. In the first verse, they are just leaving the house and moving to the new one... each verse represents the next time they visit the house over the years, in the last verse, they are dismayed that the wonderful wisteria was cut down. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #278 ***********************************