From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #252 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 03 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Live Album Redux [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Live Album Redux ["L. Davis" ] Re: [RS] Live Album Redux [Jeff Gilson ] [RS] I was the one clapping, if you listen real =?iso-8859-1?Q?close=85?= but not the guy yelling "Play the Weather!" [] [RS] traffic and transit [jim colbert ] [RS] Live Album Heydux ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Live album redux ["Greg Z" ] [RS] (suggestion): live album title ["Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] Live Album Redux On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Charlie of Young/Hunter wrote: > A question on that - what do you all think of the "And now, without further > ado, Richard Shindell!" (which is the opening announcement of the cd - prior > to 'The Courier') going before track one (a la the hidden track on Lucy's > record)? My feeling is that a live cd feels naked without such a convention, > but there's really nothing special about the announcement, and why be forced > to listen to it over and over? Much better without. Skip it. I'm sure I have plenty of live CDs without that. lisa davis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:50:10 -0400 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Live Album Redux At 12:41 PM 08/02/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Fascinating stuff, Jeff. Question, though. What's the difference between >putting something (a song intro, for example) in the index space, and >simply giving it its own track position? If it's its own track, it still >would be played if I played the CD straight through, and skipped if I >jumped to the following track or had my CD on random, right? > >Or am I missing something? If the intro were in its own track, and you put the disc on random play, you'd hear the intro before the wrong song. By not making it a track, you take it out of consideration, make it faster to skip through the disc, and remove unnecessary tracks from a track listing, not to mention from the disc. jeff. - -- I think the trouble with poets is that they see poetry everywhere --Peter Mulvey - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:13:01 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] I was the one clapping, if you listen real =?iso-8859-1?Q?close=85?= but not the guy yelling "Play the Weather!" > >> BTW, most of the performances are from 3/17, with a couple of 3/16 and 2/2. << > > Cool beans . . . Jim, Gene, Isabel . . . we can say we were there!!! It was a magical night. Seriously, when I was a kid it was one of my goals to be in the audience when a live album was being recorded. Now, sniff sniff, I've realized that goalV He he he, now on to the one about the Mexican lady wrestlers. Although I think Cynthia might put the kibosh on that one. Jim Colbert somewhere near Bellefonte PA re: introductions, the only one that's ever been memorable to me through the years is (okay, ya gotta remember I was in, like, 7th or 8th grade and thought it was so cool) "the hottest band in the world...KISS!" I like the "before the track" idea, for what that's worth. Come to think of it, the Kiss intro would be kind of funny- big, mammoth "voice o' God" voice" Ladies and gentlemen, the hottest (cheesy slice in of a nerdy voice) Folksinger (back to the resounding voice: In the world (nerdy voice) Richard ShindellV Okay, if ya could hear it the way it sounds in my head you'd at least smile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:24:35 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] traffic and transit > (sue said) > > And I am SO glad that "Transit" is on the new CD - I LOVE that song!! I > also like the idea of it as Richard's new signature song. (The "Hell bent" > title - excellent!) Sometimes I wonder though if the lyrics are as > incredible to people who don't have to deal with rush hour, or at least not > like rush hour like we have in NJ. > Okay, except during Penn State Football games, where I live traffic is relatively light, stress-free and you hear complaints like "there was a big accident on Benner pike, it took an extra FIVE MINUTES (said with shocked indignation) to get to work!" But the song seems to both paint a vivid picture of driving in nj for those that have never done it, and makes those of us who do it infrequently but regularly enough for a point of reference appreciate our own meager, amicable traffic flow patterns and laid back drivers all the more. I love that my friends from jersey almost look at the song as a badge of honor or something "well sure the merge is murder, ya get used to it" I think you guys are right, it IS the more than worthy successor to AYHN as a signature song. jim colbert state college/bellefonte pa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:02:03 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Live Album Heydux Hey you guys, OK, I appreciate Jeff's thorough explanation of the process used to make either a CD or a pipe bomb. I kind of got lost for a minute there. (No, really, I do. I was sort of aware of the index and track thing, but never knew how it worked.) Anyhoo, so long as when the track starts, the music starts, that's fine with me. And, the intro could be either before track 1, or track 1 on it's own, blending seamlessly (like the Kirk King Intro and King of Spain on Moxy Fruvous' Live Noise CD) into track 2, formerly track 1, which is, as far as I know, either 'Courier,' or the disco version of 'Sparrows Point,' or three minutes of Richard tuning. I've forgotten. Say, has 'The Sonora Sessions' begun to catch on as the title for the bonus EP? Also, Jim wrote: >>He he he, now on to the one about the Mexican lady wrestlers. Although I >>think Cynthia might put the kibosh on that one. << Tell us Jim, is the kibosh anything like the suplex, or the full nelson? Sounds like fun! Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:02:20 -0400 From: "Greg Z" Subject: [RS] Re: Live album redux Thought of a title while listening to Transit on the way home from work this morning: "St. Agnes' Choir." The traffic seems to revolve around her and the choir, and it is an innocent yet interesting prelude to the serious depth of the music which is about to grab onto you. ($.02 worth from the traffic of I-290, Worcester, and not far from the wacko rotaries, bridges and Mid-Cape Highway to get to Cape "Scrod.") The 2 album combo probably answers the question I was going to have about multiple purchases pre-release, it's going to be a Christmas present for several friends and pickers. The introduction and applause on a live cd pumps me up, my vote would be to have that included. Emmylou's Last Date goes something like, "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, cowboys and indians, MISS EMMYLOU HARRIS." I like the updating of the old standards from Sparrows Point. Some of us don't have access to the live shows mentioned, although I'd like to (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more ;-) Greg Z Worcester, Mass. - --- "I'll put this cloud behind me, that's how the Man designed me I'm no stranger to the rain"... Keith Whitley Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: [RS] (suggestion): live album title I hereby propose that the live album be named "Children stared into the room" because it captures the wonder and the mystery and the investigation and the discovery inherent in Richard's work. It's also obscure-sounding, but accessible to even the most neophyte Shindell-ite. Some funky cover art could spring from that idea, too. I think the tone of that title also fits neatly into Richard's body of songs. And it might even bring people's attention to the darkness in AYHN that all-too-often gets completely overlooked. Just a suggestion... Peace, V P.S. I was going through the list of songs on the live album and I thought it might be funny to come up with a list of things the CD definitely _shouldn't_ be called. Inspired by "Kenworth," my seedling addition to this list of rejected CD titles is "Turn the damn thing off." I'm shooting for twenty by the end of the day--we can do it, guys! 20) Turn the damn thing off 19) I am wretched, I am tired 18) Your next of kin--I know which house she's hiding in 17) Don't just stare 16) Please excuse these rags I'm in Peace, Love, and Mischief, Vanessa, who is at work and _desperate_ for entertainment! "If your mirror has a monster in it, do not shout, This kind of situation does not call for freaking out, And do nothing that you would not want to see him do, Cause that monster in the mirror, he just might be you." --Grover Monster, "The Monster in The Mirror" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] (suggestion): live album title Just to reiterate what a great idea this is (and because I'm nothing if not shy), I urge everyone to visualize a CD in front of him or her that is by Richard Shindell and called "Children stared into the room." Doesn't it just feel...right? It piques your curiosity, draws you into a mysterious world. It transforms the album from just another silver-colored disc into a whole other realm. Peace, Vanessa, who vows to champion this cause til the bitter end! "If your mirror has a monster in it, do not shout, This kind of situation does not call for freaking out, And do nothing that you would not want to see him do, Cause that monster in the mirror, he just might be you." --Grover Monster, "The Monster in The Mirror" ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #252 ***********************************