From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #248 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] In a message dated 08/01/2001 12:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell- [Lora] [RS] Re: The Live CD [Loracevoll@aol.com] [RS] In Praise of Falcon Ridge (yet another) [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] You don't always get what you want ["Isabel Frey" ] Re: [RS] You don't always get what you want ["Vanessa C. Wills" From: Charlie of Young/Hunter > Keep coming up with titles. Today I'm thinking.... "Hell-Bent on Saturday" > (or does that sound too Judas-Priest-y?). Charlie, I find it appealing, but to the non-Shindell acolyte -- it might send the wrong message about his "sound"..... .....CaroL "I never apologize. I'm sorry -- that's just how I am" Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:24:22 EDT From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: The Live CD In a message dated 08/01/2001 12:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: "Gene Frey" > Otherwise, if 'Summer Wind' does get cut I'd hope that 'Wisteria' gets the > first call off the bench. And, it's great to see that 'Sandy' made the cut. No!! No!! .....Carol -- who will chain herself to Signature's front gates in protest if "Wisteria" bites it...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:28:12 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] In Praise of Falcon Ridge (yet another) Gene said it best I think, in explaining how he suspends his purist sensibilities for one weekend a year and contends with a crowded concert atmosphere where many singer/songwriters seems to strain on stage as if they couldn't be heard otherwise. There's no intimacy at all at Falcon Ridge's mainstage, it's true, but there is at the workshop stage even though that too can get pretty crowded. It's a much smaller stage, set much lower than the mainstage and even the hill is, well, smaller and cozier and more like the intimate venues we're all used to seeing these songwriters play in. I also agree that there is much more to Falcon Ridge than the music. To wit: the business workshop stages were all interesting this year and those who either spoke or were involved in the presentations did an excellent job and knew from whereof they spoke. Vance Gilbert was a scream in his "Assessing The Stage Performance" workshop. I admire the courage of those would-be performing songwriters who exposed themselves to Vance's warped sense of humor. Falcon Ridge isn't perfect...I still hate the sounds that waft over from the mainstage and disturb the music going on at the workshop stage; I hate the violent scurrying that goes on at 6:45 AM as camping "tarp runners" claim all the close, stage front and center positions, then don't show up there until the late evening when Dar comes on; Not enough courtesy is extended to the press, with virtually no area provided to work in or conduct an interview; the funny money baloney is a pain in the arse and they should do away with it. Still, when I consider that my wife paid $75 to see Bon Jovi in New Jersey's Brenden Byrne arena on Friday night, only to barely be within binocular range of the stage and after driving three hours and missing openers Eva3(?) and Sugar Ray (Egad!), $80 or so for three days and nights of great music at a pastoral setting in the Berkshires is nothing short of a steal. And I must say, that Sunflower pizza (with the black olives) is habit-forming (RonG are you listening, er, reading?). FalconRidgingRon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:48:10 -0400 From: "Isabel Frey" Subject: [RS] You don't always get what you want >Looks like it's working: > >I get "Courier." >Vanessa gets "Memory of You." >Jim gets his "trucking trilogy." >Everyone gets "Summer Wind, Cotton Dress" (although if the "pitch issues" >force it out, I'd put "Sonora" back in.) >Clary gets the slow "Reunion Hill." >Norman gets "Nora." >Pat Power gets "Fleur de Lis." Once again, Gene and I get left out in the cold... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] Festivals You said it perfectly, Gene! Falcon Ridge is like this little musical phyical and spiritual enclave away from everything and for three days, you get to eat, breathe, and sleep folk, folk, folk. I love all the conversations that I invariably strike up with people I would almost certainly never interact with otherwise. I love the feeling of hearing an act that I would have otherwise never heard of. I love the magic that happens on the workshop stage. You never know who's gonna jump up and start harmonizing, who's gonna pick up a mandolin and start jamming with David Nields, who's gonna start banging a drum in the background. There's really no comparison between the festival atmosphere and a couple hours in a concert hall. They are totally different animals, and I love them both. OK--that's enough "me too's" for one e-mail, I think. ;-) Peace, Vanessa "If your mirror has a monster in it, do not shout, This kind of situation does not call for freaking out, And do nothing that you would not want to see him do, Cause that monster in the mirror, he just might be you." --Grover Monster, "The Monster in The Mirror" On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Gene Frey wrote: > Hey you guys, > > Lee, regarding Falcon Ridge and other large festivals, pondered: > > >>Does the camaraderie of being with thousands of other people of similar > >>ilk outweigh the annoyance of a large crowd and distant stage? Do the > >>performances reach new levels in front of large crowds more often > than they fall flat? Does everybody get naked and roll in the mud? << > > Yes, sometimes, and not nearly enough. > > Some acts, like Moxy Fruvous, Eddie from Ohio, Entrain, the Nields > (probably) and the Paperboys actually seem to be inspired by the size of the > crowd. Not every act does. Those lucky enough (or carrying enough drawing > power) to get a nighttime slot have it easiest. There is nothing going on at > the workshop, so most of the crowd is yours, and there is no sound > bleed-over from the workshop stage. It is a crapshoot, but worth it to me. > For a weekend I give up being a purist about the music (as if I ever were) > and enjoy the whole experience. > > There is way more to FRFF than the main stage. There have been plenty of > references to the incredible collaborations on the workshop stage. There is > a dance tent where you can learn to swing or contra dance, just go to > participate as my son did during a lull in the day, or watch amazing dancers > fly around the floor in a state of bliss. Even strolling around the vendor > tents is a fun way to pass some hours. > > At night, there are song circles where you can take a hack at your > favorites, hear others who are more or less accomplished than you, or just > sit and enjoy the company of others. One of the best songs I heard all > weekend was at the Camp Dar Camp song circle, 'Glacier' (I think the title > is) by Arjuna Greist. I don't play, and have been banned from singing in > nine states, but watching and listening to everyone at the circles was an > absolute highlight of the weekend. > > Another great part of the festival setting is getting to see a lot of acts, > and discovering some new favorites. This weekend I got to experience Kevin > So for the first time, really got into Beth Amsel and Mark Erelli, and > finally 'got' the Nields after their fun set on Saturday night. It would > take months to get to see all of these people, even if you do live in one of > the big cities in the northeast. > > And, everywhere on the grounds you get a feeling of community that you will > never get crammed behind a 12" table at the Bottom Line, or sitting in a > padded seat at a theater. There is an incredible feeling of acceptance that > is everywhere. If you're on the Dar list, look at Dan Nooter's 'Wisheries' > post from Monday. He says it way better than I ever could. > > Sure, the business aspect is always there, and you can't get out of the > place without spending more money on CDs than you ever thought you would, > but I'll be back next year for sure. Besides, you're paying around $60 for > three days of music, and camping to boot. That's less than for one ticket to > see the Eagles wheeze around the stage for 90 minutes. And, if the > performances aren't as sonically impeccable as in a theater, so what? I know > it's not going to be Carnegie Hall before I get there. Once a year I get to > spend a weekend where people standing on line for the bathroom or food are > talking to strangers about music, not bitching about why the lines are so > long. If this means that Dave and Tracy are a bit muddy sounding, I'll take > it. > > Gene F. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:00:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] You don't always get what you want On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Isabel Frey wrote: > >Looks like it's working: > Once again, Gene and I get left out in the cold... Yeah, but I mean, really, who cares about "the weather"? Peace, V, never one to turn her nose up at a cheap laugh ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #248 ***********************************