From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #228 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, July 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 228 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Live CD [Kevin ] [RS] Title Wave [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Re: Hidden tracks [Tom926@aol.com] [RS] Re: Hidden tracks [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Title Wave ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Hidden Tracks [Graham Gudgin ] Re: [RS] Re: Hidden tracks [Deb Woodell ] Re: [RS] Title Wave [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] Title Wave ["Melillo, John" ] RE: [RS] Re: Reduced to a handful of songs . . . [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de ] Re: [RS] Title Wave [patrick t power ] [RS] As if it weren't enough . . . [Katie Mahoney ] Re: [RS] 7/20 Show in Burlington, VT ["Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: [RS] Re: Live CD I would have liked to have "You Again" and "By Now" on the CD, but otherwise, good choices. Kevin Tampa, FL Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:18:35 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Title Wave Has anyone asked our opinions on a title for the new LIVE record? Well, who cares, I'm volunteering a few anyway: "Me Again." "Live By Now." "A Moment More." "A Verse Or Two." Will there be a prize for the winner? HopinRon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:21:03 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Hidden tracks Hi Tricia...I completely agree. I think at first they were done so that record companies could use it as a marketing tool so people would buy the cd instead of the record album but isn't it almost 20 years since cds came on the market? The thrill is gone... Now I just find them annoying, like "well gee, since the artist didn't even want to admit publically he/she/they did this song, how good can it be?" Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:44:05 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Hidden tracks >> Now I just find them annoying, like "well gee, since the artist didn't even want to admit publically he/she/they did this song, how good can it be?" << For me, it's just a matter of them being a pain in the ass to get to. For Lucy's "I've Just Seen a Face," you've got to manually "rewind" backwards through a three minute song, and some of my CD players don't allow that if the song is PRIOR to the first cut, which is what Lucy did. On Richard's "Sing Me Back Home," you need to get to the end of "I'll Be There in the Morning," then wait for 60 seconds, or scan forward until the 5:00 mark. I don't mind if an artist wants to add a song as a bonus, or not mention it on the liner notes for some unknown reason, but for God's sake, make the damn thing easy to get to with a simple index mark. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:01:28 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Title Wave Hey you guys, Ron D, blatantly trolling for prizes, asked about the Live CD title. Susan reminded us of Dave's excellent suggestion, 'Please Have a Seat.' While I still think my own 'Nowhere Near Buenos Aries' has a certain charm, and Nancy's 'RS Live - Never Mind the Weather' touches me on a deep personal level, I think it will be hard to top Dave. As for the song list, my only comment is that I really, really, really hope Sandy makes the cut. I think all of us who were at the Emelin that night will remember that performance for a long time. Now for the cover art - how about a shot of Richard tuning? Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:00:34 -0400 From: Graham Gudgin Subject: [RS] Re: Hidden Tracks Tricia said >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:01:30 EDT >From: Tricia9999@aol.com >Subject: [RS] Hidden Tracks > >I would just like to say that I think this is a silly trend. What is the >purpose of including "hidden" tracks? > >Might have been clever at first, but now don't get it, I'm not a big fan of hidden tracks myself. Many CD players just won't play them, and if you just play a CD right through, you sometimes just don't get to hear the track that often. I rarely listen to the hidden track on Lucy Kaplansky's "Flesh And Bone" because it's too much of a bother to actually find (It's a great track too: The Beatles' "I've just seen a face"). I can see a few possible reasons for a hidden track: in a themed or concept album, where there's an extra song that just doesn't fit the theme of the rest of the CD; for a collection of out-takes, or something like that; or for an alternative version of a track that's already on the CD. Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Hidden tracks Tom wrote, >The thrill is gone... > Now I just find them annoying, like "well gee, since > the artist didn't even > want to admit publically he/she/they did this song, > how good can it be?" For me, it's like the kids who rides a bike and says, "Look, Ma, no hands." I think everyone seems to put a hidden track on the cd because they can. Deb ===== You can take the rock band away from the girl and think you've tamed her. But, she'll just pick up an acoustic, give you that innocent little girl grin, quietly laugh and say? "Nevah!" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:22:39 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Title Wave >> Now for the cover art - how about a shot of Richard tuning? << At what show did he do that? RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:56:32 -0400 From: "Melillo, John" Subject: RE: [RS] Title Wave I remember Richard once telling the audience some have said endless tuning was the downfall of folk music. He quickly added that he thought the opposite was true. Of course, he was tuning his guitar at the time. - -----Original Message----- From: Rongrittz@aol.com [mailto:Rongrittz@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:23 AM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] Title Wave >> Now for the cover art - how about a shot of Richard tuning? << At what show did he do that? RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:55:54 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Re: Reduced to a handful of songs . . . Charlie and all - great collection of songs for the new album! And I agree with whoever said (sorry, I forgot who it was) that Transit should be the last song. and then Jeff worried about Katie neglecting a certain Mr. Paul: > > All this dreaming about Richard makes me wonder if Ellis is getting > jealous. Or have you broken up? :-} well, maybe she decided not to marry him now that he has short hair... ;-) Katrin, who didn't exactly buy the Kenworth of her dreams last week, but the guitar of her dreams and can't take her eyes and fingers off of that most beautiful Lowden which is now living with her :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- i do it for the joy it brings because i'm a joyful girl because the world owes me nothing and we owe each other the world ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:49:30 -0400 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Title Wave Gene posed: <> I know a fella who took some shots of Richard at Falcon Ridge last summer!! Whadya think? Huh? Huh? Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:37:12 -0400 From: Katie Mahoney Subject: [RS] As if it weren't enough . . . >Which, I agree, is too bad . . . I'd love to have >heard him do "Blue Divide," a pretty rare song for his >usual set list. At either my second, third, or fourth Richard show at the Iron Horse (after seeing him for the first time, I randomly started being placed at the same table EVERY time he played there, thus foiling any attempt on my part to distinguish one show from another {which I usually do by remembering what angle I was looking at the stage from} . . . so they're all kind of a blur), there was a woman in the front who just very quietly asked Richard while he was tuning up, "Would you play 'Blue Divide'?" And he did, later on in the set. It was fabulous. That's always been one of my favorite songs, and I'm grateful to that woman for asking him about it, because I probably would have never heard it live if she hadn't. Unlike "The Weather," which I've heard so many times live, I'm really starting to get sick of it. I mean, come on Richard, I know how much you like that song, but give your audiences a break, man. Heh. Katie >All this dreaming about Richard makes me wonder if Ellis is getting >jealous. Or have you broken up? :-} ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vanessa C. Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] 7/20 Show in Burlington, VT Agreed! I am _incredibly_ jealous of all you Vermonters. This sounds marvelous. :-) Peace, V "If your mirror has a monster in it, do not shout, This kind of situation does not call for freaking out, And do nothing that you would not want to see him do, Cause that monster in the mirror, he just might be you." --Grover Monster, "The Monster in The Mirror" On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 Pfleary@aol.com wrote: > Richard Shindell 7/20 Lake Champlain Ferries, Burlington, VT, 802-864-9804, > 8:30 PM > > This show sounds great! If I were in driving distance I would go. This > "cruise" is at sunset. I may be a little partial from having grown up in > Burlington, but I think that a sunset over Lake Champlain, with the > Adirondacks in the background, is one of the most beautiful sunsets in the > world. It definitely rivals any sunset I've ever seen in 16 years of living > on the West Coast. I can't imagine a nicer setting to see Richard in. But > then again, if it rains....... > > > Peter ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #228 ***********************************