From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #204 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, June 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] scenes from a blue divide; SKB [jcolb ] [RS] Weather, traffic, ears [Lee Wessman ] [RS] weather II [Lee Wessman ] [RS] Behind the Scenes of Scenes [Charlie of Young/Hunter ] [RS] unloved songs [Lee Wessman ] Re: [RS] unloved songs [Elwestrand ] [RS] I don't know art, but I know what I like ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] MINSTREL-GRAM--Friday June 22: The Jive Five Minus Two and Ron Greitzer [Jeff Bernstein Subject: [RS] scenes from a blue divide; SKB Re: the scenes disc, this does show up every now and then on ebay if you're patient. If not, pick up a copy of goldmine, the rag for record collectors and start making some phone calls. With patience, you will find it. Hey, just out of curiosity, anyone remember the trio SKB from the mid eighties? Fred Knobloch, Craig Bickhardt (spelling?) and Tom Schuyler? I was listening to Wisteria and was suddenly reminded of their song "this old house." jpc somewhere near bellefonte and waiting for the storm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:56:15 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] Weather, traffic, ears Elwestrand writes: "there are many things I have put out in the world which I would like to retrieve given the opportunity. There is a reason Van Gogh cut off his ear! Art is traumatic somedays. Maybe some of the other creative types on this list can back me up here?" Absolutely. I'll back you up, E. It is a well-known fact that Van Gogh wanted to retrieve his ear. lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:58:57 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] weather II And since Ron mentions it again -- that Richard "dashed off" The Weather, writing it as a quickie in the studio -- I gotta say that's a pretty good bit of songwriting to be dashed off in a studio. - -lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:05 +0000 From: Charlie of Young/Hunter Subject: [RS] Behind the Scenes of Scenes Ron G wrote: > "Scenes from a Blue Divide" was a limited edition promo CD that Shanachie > released around the time of "Blue Divide," featuring live versions of > "Fishing," "The Things That I Have Seen," "Mary Magdalene," "Arrowhead" and > "Are You Happy Now," plus the studio verion of "AYHN." Unfortunately, it's > long since out of print, and since it's Shanachie, there are probably no plans > to make it available commercially. Even I, Richard's manager, have never seen SCENES FROM A BLUE DIVIDE... But when I started working with Richard, I spoke to Shanachie and they were very cooperative and willing to let us license it from them and sell it at shows and from off theRS website. However, Richard feels the performances are not up to snuff, and so asked that we not proceed with that plan. Thwarted in my ongoing quest for more ill-gotten riches, I reluctantly agreed. Just wanted to defend the honor of the good people of Shanachie from the scurrilous Mr. Greitzer, known slanderer. - - Mr. Hunter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:14:14 -0400 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] just a thought > is not the tone of the song that makes me cringe. Be happy all > you want. Just for the record, E., I love that sentence. Be happy all you want. It's almost like a challenge or an insult or something! Cool. > > > way onto a CD beside "Next Best Western' and 'May' proves that > Richard > > wanted people to hear this. > > Yes I am sure he thought so at the time but as writer and > sometimes folk artist I assure you there are many things I have > put out in the world which I would like to retrieve given the > opportunity. And speaking NOT specifically of the song "the weather," I agree totally with that sentiment... anyone who creates, be it pen and ink illustrations, songs, novels, plays, sculpture... is often most enthusiastic about their project of the moment and it's only later when they can view it's true worth in the collection of things you have created. Tom allluded to that in mentioning the burning of many of his poems, and I have been there myself. It's sometimes sad, but also sometimes liberating to separate the wheat from the chaff. (now, if you're only destroying your own work to make a statement or as a cry for attention, that's a different story.) The problem with a folksinger is, plain and simple, vinyl is final... just like richard thompson's insistance for years that his small town romance be left out of print. I'm not saying how rs feels about the song or it's relative merit in his catalouge, just that as artists we often do need the undo key. But for a recording artist the results are long-lived, if not necessarily forever... jpc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:01:52 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] unloved songs And since you asked about other Richard songs that people are not fond of, what about "Smiling"? I've seen smirking references to Smiling on this list, but I actually like the song. It's not high on my list. It probably was put too far forward on the album. But I like it. Has "Smiling" had SOTW honors? - -lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:42:34 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] unloved songs ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Lee Wessman (lwessman@amcity.com) wrote: > And since you asked about other Richard songs that people are not > fond of, what about "Smiling"? > Maybe it should be song of the week. I like it and I tell you why when it is SOTW. But I thinks we should insert a more popular song in here so we won't have too much picking on Richard at one time. People like new lister DELORES who still hasn't posted, might think we are mean or something. Right DELORES? E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:19:50 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] I don't know art, but I know what I like Hey you guys, Well, I suppose this whole 'Weather' thing addresses the most important point about music, that is we all have the right and ability to like what we like. And, apparently a large number of people don't like 'The Weather.' And, I still do. And, as for mainstream music, we all have our favorites. I have a sweet tooth for guitar based pop, like Gin Blossoms, Matthew Sweet, and Toad the Wet Sprocket. I think Greg Kihn's The Breakup Song (They Don't Write 'Em Like That Any More) is as close to a perfect single as we will ever get. Popular does not necessarily mean bad. They just tend to go together quite a bit. Last year at Falcon Ridge I saw a woman wearing a t-shirt. I don't know where it was from (some of you may), but on the back it said "I listen to good music, you listen to crap." I know that deep down we all really feel that way. Gene F. (who urges you all to remember that during the time it took to write this NSync just sold another 1,000 CDs) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:41:00 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] smiling >>Has "Smiling" had SOTW honors? << Yes. Early in '99. We went systematically at first-- doing the first song of the first CD, the first song of the second CD.. and so forth. So all of the songs early and in the middle of the first three CDs have been covered. There could be one or two other songs that have not yet been SOTW. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:47:05 -0400 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: [RS] MINSTREL-GRAM--Friday June 22: The Jive Five Minus Two and Ron Greitzer This came my way on another list and I thought it should be posted here. The Minstrel Coffeehouse is somewhere near Paterson. Jeff - ----- THIS FRIDAY, June 22, 8:30 PM AT THE MINSTREL COFFEEHOUSE THE JIVE FIVE MINUS TWO and RON GREITZER You may remember the JIVE FIVE MINUS TWO from their opening act for Vance Gilbert last October. They offer classic tunes and original compositions in the swing, jazz, and bluegrass realm performed with energy and verve. The talented trio consists of Tom Grant (guitar, mandolin, vocals), Jon Dichter (guitar, harmonica and vocals) and Arty Artymiw (violin). Opener RON GREITZER gleans the contemporary acoustic folk world for the best songs that get overlooked by that world, and presents them in an engaging and entertaining manner. The Minstrel uses the facilities of the Morris County Cultural Center, 300 Mendham Road (NJ Route 24) between Morristown and Mendham, 3.3 miles west of the Green in Morristown. Maps and driving directions, as well as a schedule of upcoming performances are available on our website, . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:28:47 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] SOTW In response to the "Did we ever cover 'Smiling'?" question, Norman writes: << Early in '99. We went systematically at first-- doing the first song of the first CD, the first song of the second CD.. and so forth. So all of the songs early and in the middle of the first three CDs have been covered. >> And we should add that it's simple to wander back in the archives to re-live old SOTW threads . . . particularly for folks who've joined over the last year or so. As Norman states, we had a pretty exhaustive SOTW run beginning back in early '99 (March 22nd, to be exact -- yes, I checked), so make sure to visit www.grassyhill.org/stax/shindell to check out the posts. There's some pretty great stuff there. RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #204 ***********************************