From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #201 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, June 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] walls- a brief simon note and marginal rs content [jcolb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:53:06 -0400 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] walls- a brief simon note and marginal rs content > > Yeah, I like this verse too. How we wall ourselves in... as in Paul Simon's > > "Something so Right" > > There's also Sting's "Fortress Around Your Heart" -- one of my favorite > "walled off" songs...... > and it was also ground Simon had explored before in I am a rock, of course. I also noticed the (last month's I believe) copy of Dirty Linen I was reading on the plane finally had a review of SNP in it. (And yes, it was a positive review.) jpc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:54:43 -0400 From: SELogan@uss.com Subject: Re: [RS] Shut-Ins-R-Us Ron D. wrote: >>As an anthem to reclusiveness, nothing beats Greg Brown's "Loneliness House" from the Slant Six Mind CD<< Then there's my favorite ode to being alone, Warren Zevon's "Splendid Isolation": "I want to live all alone in the desert, I want to be like Georgia O'Keefe, I want to live on the Upper East Side and never go down to the street..." ~Sue, seeing Dave&Tracy AND John Gorka next Saturday (whoo-hoo!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:59:34 -0400 (EDT) From: vcwills@Princeton.EDU (Vanessa Christina Wills) Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW: The Weather Elwestrand wrote: >Who seconds that Fortress Around Your Heart is an amazing song - >especially when Sting sings, "let me set the battlements on >fire." Swoon. Gosh, I gotta build me some battlements :-)! Oh, man, you guys. I'm working from home this summer (whoo-hoo!), but how am I supposed to do this when you guys keep bringing up STING??? The music video for FAYH is now on a constant loop on the home entertainment center of my brain. Gosh, I love that video. Sting, alone in some old warehouse, shirtless (as per usual), with his guitar (or is he playing bass in the video? I can't remember), gyrating slowly and begging to be allowed to, as E reminds us, "set the battlements on fire." Swoon, indeed! OK, that's it--I'm off to go grab my case o' Sting CDs. (I only have about nine or ten, really!) Richard Content: What can I say? The Weather makes me smile and it makes me all warm and happy inside. And yeah, there are some pretty weak lines in there, but I don't mind it so much as I mind The Grocer's Broom. I think that's because nobody's asking me to take The Weather particularly seriously. It's a fun, positive song with a bouncy beat and a catchy hook. "Here's to all you moms and dads" is meant to be taken at face value. Whereas a line like "Where silence sits playing her flute" just makes me angry, because it masquerades as something deep and to me, at least, it's totally meaningless. Just my two cents, for whatever that's worth. Peace, V ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:03:03 EDT From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Hello, and a question From: "Catherine Wright" > And, as the subject line indicates, I do indeed have a query: does anyone > know how I can obtain a copy of the cd "Scenes From a Blue Divide" ? This > has become a slightly obsessive search for me. I did find one online cd > vendor that listed it as available. I did a little elfin dance and placed an > > Anyway, helpful hints would be appreciated. Catherine, Have you tried eBay & half.com?? You can get anything you want there. (excepting Alice....) Welcome!! ....CaroL -- part time poster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:06:40 EDT From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW: The Weather > From: Elwestrand > Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW: The Weather > Who seconds that Fortress Around Your Heart is an amazing song - > especially when Sting sings, "let me set the battlements on > fire." Swoon. Gosh, I gotta build me some battlements :-)! Wow, E, this is the second time this week I've felt a real musical bond with you!! That's the part of the song that gets to me, too. It's intensified because I really was in a relationship like that when the song came out back in the early 80s. I really like the imagery Sting evokes with this song too... Carol (hoping to not get bashed for liking a "pop" star.... ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:20:22 +0100 From: "Gerry (Geraint) Evans at Alliance ECS" Subject: [RS] Re: Silence/flutes > a line like "Where silence sits playing her flute" just makes me > angry, because it masquerades as something deep and to me, at least, it's > totally meaningless. How about the whistling sound that the wind makes in an otherwise quiet room?..through old ill-fitting windows and underneath doors etc. That's the image those words gave me..... Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:41:35 -0700 From: "Gregory Dennis" Subject: [RS] Re: Greg Brown, Ron G. and Richard I, too, would love to see Ron G. turn his transcription talents to Greg Brown. Having Ron's version of Richard's songs has made a huge difference in my guitar playing, and in my appreciation of Richard's work. It would be nice to add Greg Brown to the mix (hint, broad hint). - -- Greg Rockin' Ron writes: >> As an anthem to reclusiveness, nothing beats Greg Brown's "Loneliness House" from the Slant Six Mind CD, an impossibly brilliant record in my view. Sure wish Ron would turn his transcription talents to some of Greg's work. He does play in alot of oddball tunings, by the by. Agree with Lea about John Gorka's newest record, "The Company You Keep" (2 stars). My review of it should be up at Hugh Blumenfeld's Folk Music at About.Com any minute now, along with my somewhat lengthy and unabashedly effusive review of "Drum Hat Buddha" (four stars). RonD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:29:02 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: The Weather Blows First of all, hi Catherine. Welcome to the list. We are a civilized bunch here and really I don't think we have ever in all the time I have been a list member skirted the boundaries of the inappropriate. I don't think anyone has ever been flamed with anything hotter than a kitchen match. So let it rip. And I say that as one of the list's chief gadflies! Now with that in mind, E I completely agree with you. I always think of TW as Richard's Diane Warren moment. It's all sorta "nice." It's gotta a sorta "nice" melody and a "nice" rhythm and it says "nice" things "nicely." See, Richard's primary strength to me as a lyricist is his ability to really nail a character in specific images, like the trucker looking for the next motel or the broker who is too busy for therapy. This has just big general "nice" statements. Appropriate title for it--don't we talk about the weather when we want to be "nice" in a general American sorta way? Now I say this as someone who recently just went through all my old writing and literally burned close to 875 poems. Lots of "nice" ones there too. LOL. I have kept the ashes. When I can get down to my brother's house in Manalapan (for all you Jersey fans out there), I am going to plant a tree and bury the ashes in the roots. That's an old Irish tradition you do that with the mass cards on the first anniversary of the loved one's death. This is the kinda song that makes me say, oh why can't we treat pop/folk songs like classical musicians treat their music. I think covers can be a Wonderful Thing. A really good cover beats filler every single time. And I wouldn't expect RS to play it in concert either. It's like Susan Lucci winning the Emmy (besides that being a harbinger of the impending apocalypse). I mean, the fun was in the anticipation of seeing her win it. I think when she actually DID, it was a big letdown. Same with this. Richard can get LOTS more mileage out of teasing everyone with the possibility of his playing it live than actually inflicting it, I mean, playing it for us. :) Tom, who is enjoying the nice weather in Manhattan since we don't get much of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:05:09 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Wall Songs My favorite song about tearing down walls is Kansas', The Wall. I don't remember exactly when I got the album Leftoverture, but I listened to it incessantly. I was probably ten or so. Never really listened to any of their other music. Always loved this song. Which is surprising actually that it meant something to me at that age. It has a beautiful melody too. Anyone know how to play it? Sorry for posting the whole song, but I couldn't find a link that would work for the lyrics. E The Wall I'm woven in a fantasy, I can't believe the things I see The path that I have chosen now has led me to a wall And with each passing day I feel a little more like something dear was lost It rises now before me, a dark and silent barrier between, All I am, and all that I would ever want be It's just a travesty, towering, marking off the boundaries my spirit would erase To pass beyond is what I seek, I fear that I may be too weak And those are few who've seen it through to glimpse the other side, The promised land is waiting like a maiden that is soon to be a bride The moment is a masterpiece, the weight of indecision's in the air It's standing there, the symbol and the sum of all that's me It's just a travesty, towering, blocking out the light and blinding me - I want to see Gold and diamonds cast a spell, it's not for me I know it well The treasures that I seek are waiting on the other side There's more that I can measure in the treasure of the love that I can find And though it's always been with me, I must tear down the Wall and let it be All I am, and all that I was ever meant to be, in harmony Shining true and smiling back at all who wait to cross THERE IS NO LOSS ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #201 ***********************************