From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #128 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 03 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Production [mclark@brandeis.edu] [RS] hamlet's ghost- three blue lines [jcolb ] RE: [RS] Fireflies [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] "Never Die Young" [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Sparrow's Point/SOTW [Elwestrand ] Re: [RS] Production ["Susan Koval" ] [RS] Old Hamlet, not young Hamlet ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:24:57 -0400 From: mclark@brandeis.edu Subject: [RS] Production >BTW, I've never been a huge fan of this song [Memory of You], primarily >because after the incredible 2nd through 6th songs on "Sparrows Point" I'm >usually too wiped out to continue. But I know this song is a favorite of >a lot of people. I can certainly relate about the 2nd through 6th songs, but I find that the tempo change at "I hit the light" does the same thing for me as the one we discussed earlier in Courier. And Richard's percussive guitar work always does it for me (witness C3's cover of the Nields' "I Know What Kind of Love This Is") Lorrie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:28:55 +0000 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] hamlet's ghost- three blue lines > Sometime ago, Carol pointed out to me (I don't recall whether it was on the > list or privately) that "Memory of You" is written from Gertrude's point of > view after being haunted by Old Hamlet's ghost. Okay, it's my girlfriend who used to teach shakespeare at nyu, not me. And she's on a train right now heading to pittsburgh, so, pray tell- what were the three lines the song's referring to? jim c learning something new every day ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:40:10 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Fireflies My big brother Dave and I were arguing about Fireflies, and I've come to the conclusion: Dave - I guess us two arguing about Kris vs. Ellis and Ellis vs. Kris will most likely lead to nothing, right? :-) > Yes, sis, even though you are leaving for the US shortly to stalk > Ellis Paul > across several states, I think you'd appreciate the sparseness of the > original version. :-) And this from the man who flew to Florida, just to see a certain Kris Delmhorst... :) But Fireflies aside, lets talk about Never die young, with Richard singing harmony. Wow... I'm blown away! I don't have the CD (but will get it, promise), but downloaded NEver die young from mp3.com . That is just so, so beautiful. Richard's voice is just THE perfect addtion to this amazing song. And thanks to our man RonG I just got the chords and learned it - not that I could sound anything like the original, but... great song! Katrin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- i do it for the joy it brings because i'm a joyful girl because the world owes me nothing and we owe each other the world ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:19:54 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] "Never Die Young" Katrin's right on . . . Lori McKenna's "Never Die Young," with Richard on harmony, is a stunningly beautiful and heart-breakingly sad song about the loss of a parent at an early age. Here are the lyrics if you want 'em . . . http://members.aol.com/rongrittz/mckenna.htm#die RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:46:27 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Sparrow's Point/SOTW Anyone else notice how Richard puts his most straighforward song (KOMD) next to his most obtuse song (OASOFDL). It struck me as interesting. I was also wondering if any of you have heard Richard say that the SOTW was about suicide and/or Hamlet for that matter. If not how do you back up these ideas? E The clock ticks in the dark and now the night is still The air is like a murmur on the window sill All at once there's someone there that only you can see Seeking the forgiveness that will set her free The wind has taken away The words she wanted to say The sky is now turning gray The dawn is turning away The ghost of Charlotte Corday. From The Ghost of Charlotte Corday- Written by Al Stewart and Tori Amos ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:41:01 -0400 From: "Susan Koval" Subject: Re: [RS] Production Lorrie wrote: "And Richard's percussive guitar work always does it for me (witness C3's cover of the Nields' "I Know What Kind of Love This Is")" I LOVE Richard's guitar on that song. That is one of my very favorite things about the Cry3 album. Sue K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:50:55 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Old Hamlet, not young Hamlet >>I was also wondering if any of you have heard Richard say that the SOTW was about suicide and/or Hamlet for that matter. If not how do you back up these ideas? << It's not about suicide but murder. Not about Hamlet, the main character, but his father. Old Hamlet was murdered by his younger brother, Claudius. Claud then married Gertrude. Norman "To sum up! Your father, whom you love, dies, you are his heir, you come back to find that hardly was the corpse cold before his young brother popped on to his throne and into his sheets, thereby offending both legal and natural practice. Now - why exactly are you behaving in this extraordinary manner?" Rosencrantz to Hamlet (Jr.) from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:23:17 -0700 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Old Hamlet, not young Hamlet, nor Kevin Bacon Norman quoted: >> "To sum up! Your father, whom you love, dies, you are his heir " Rosencrantz to Hamlet (Jr.) from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead << So weird. My best friend has been begging me to rent "R & G are Dead" for the longest time. It's her second favorite film. It came up again last night because we were watching "Jesus" on CBS (to see Deb Messing's interpretation of Mary Magdalen) and she said that the guy who played Pontius Pilot reminded her of Gary Oldman, or was it Tim Roth? Anyway, we couldn't bear to watch through to the credits to see if it was indeed Gary. I just mentioned 5 people -- somehow this is gonna tie back to Kevin Bacon, I just know it. (Duh, it's all about HAMlet? =) - -- john andrew clary home mailto:john.cleirigh@juno.com work mailto:clry@chevron.com "the music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. there's also a negative side." ~ hunter s. thompson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:56:28 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] FW: the ghosts of richard shindell Forwarding this on from sharon . . . all formatting and spelling courtesy of the author. (Sorry sharon, you know I couldn't resist!!) RG From: "sharon g" Subject: the ghosts of richard shindell Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:18:56 - - i know it sounds like a masters thesis.. Memory of you, is one of the shindell song that brings out the ghosts in me.. there are all kinds of ghosts. in all sorts of songs.. the ghost of a missing husband in Reunion Hill.. teh ghost of an old self in the I saw my youth.. the ghosts of war in.. YOU stay here.. Nora.. the double toast to the ghost of a relationship, teh ghost of a kiss in Summer Wind.. and even the poletgiests in Hideous Grin.. it seem richard is pretty ghosty.. even in are you happy now there is a ghost .. two actually .. one of a relationship and one on the porch... sharonG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:05:05 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] Old Hamlet, not young Hamlet Again, I repeat, have any of you heard Richard say this song was about suicide or Hamlet (the play not the character)? E - ---- On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Norman A. Johnson (njohnson@ent.umass.edu) wrote: > >>I was also wondering if any of you have heard Richard say that > the SOTW was about suicide and/or Hamlet for that matter. If not > how do you back up these ideas? << > > It's not about suicide but murder. Not about Hamlet, the main character, > but his father. Old Hamlet was murdered by his younger brother, > Claudius. > Claud then married Gertrude. > > Norman > > "To sum up! Your father, whom you love, dies, you are his heir, you come > back to find that hardly was the corpse cold before his young brother > popped on to his throne and into his sheets, thereby offending both > legal > and natural practice. Now - why exactly are you behaving in this > extraordinary manner?" > > Rosencrantz to Hamlet (Jr.) from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead > > ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:20:24 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] ghosts Reposting an old post from Carol to clear up the ghosts. Hope this helps Norman X-From_: richard-shindell-owner@hyland.magenet.com Tue Feb 1 18:26:00 2000 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:21:31 -0500 (EST) From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: [Richard-Shindell] Songs to Skip Over`` Sender: owner-richard-shindell@MageNet.com To: richard-shindell@MageNet.com Reply-to: richard-shindell@MageNet.com X-Mailing-List: In a message dated 2/1/00 5:17:31 PM EST, Norman writes: > > Song(s) to Skip Over: "Memory of You" (just doesn't do anything for me) > Norman, This song became more meaningful to me after I heard Richard both explain it and play it live. He says he wrote it from the perspective of Gertrude (as in Shakespeare's Hamlet) speaking to Hamlet, Sr.'s ghost. I guess the English major in me couldn't help but like it after that. . . ....Carol ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #128 ***********************************