From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #127 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 03 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] SOTW: Memory of You [jcolb ] Re: [RS] Overproduction [SMOKEY596@aol.com] RE: [RS] Overproduction [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] Fireflies ["Dave McKay" ] RE: [RS] Overproduction [SMOKEY596@aol.com] Re: [RS] Fireflies [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de] Re: [RS] Fireflies [SMOKEY596@aol.com] [RS] Fireflies ["Dave McKay" ] [RS] Memory of You-- Hamlet's ghost ["Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] SOTW: Memory of You > BTW, I've never been a huge fan of this song, primarily because after the > incredible 2nd through 6th songs on "Sparrows Point" I'm usually too wiped > out to continue. But I know this song is a favorite of a lot of people. See, the fast folk version is now the one that pops into my head first when i think of this song, not SP... I like the starkness of it. I think what I find in this song is the singer's guilt or remorse at the subject's passing at their own hand. But the part that haunts me- what were the three blue lines... Argh! (I just saw a Greenberg play called 3 days of rain and (one short part) the son burns his father's diary with cryptic entries like "three days of rain." and "theo dying." "theo dead." What else was in the diary? What clues were there to a person's life?) I think the singer is subconsciously punishing him (or her-) self, probably unecessarily- in the end, it's seldom one single person or act or whatever that leads to suicide. He tries to push it out of his head, and that usually works during the day when other things occupy your mind and your hands are busy, but late at night when it's still and quiet and all that's left are the sounds that are in your own head, it drifts back and he starts dwelling on it. Now, the vase and the rose... is he remembering a relationship and floral giftage, or was this something he left on the person's gravesite? I always thought the former, but the latter seems very viable- having dealt with the loss of a loved one through suicide myself, i've often wondered things like just what i could have done, what could i have said. The answer to that is most likely nothing that probably would have changed things, but you'd still like to hit life's undo button and try. I also see the scene as a place- to me it's an apartment, but I don't know why, I've just filled that void in myself- where they lived together, a place the deceased spirit has saturated the rooms and hangs in the air like a shroud. Until the last 6 lines, it could just be a "my woman she done left me' song, longing for the lover that left or from the past. It's that little twist that defines the song for me. I like the almost pulse-like rhythm, too... Jim .. all the travels and works of a lifetime are reduced to a handful of songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:22:43 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Overproduction >>>and Ellis Paul's whiny voice where Kris's sultry one use to be.<<< Arrrrgh!! One thing Ellis Paul's voice has NEVER been is whiny! Etheral, yes. Mesmerizing, yes. His high tenor adds an absolutely stunning harmony in contrast to Lori's hard edge on the chorus that is nothing less than amazing. Just my opinion. :-) SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:42:43 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Overproduction Smokey, of course I second that! I was going to say something (:-) ) but you said it much more eloquently than I could have. Katrin > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > SMOKEY596@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:23 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [RS] Overproduction > > > >>>and Ellis Paul's whiny voice where Kris's sultry one use to be.<<< > > Arrrrgh!! One thing Ellis Paul's voice has NEVER been is whiny! > Etheral, yes. Mesmerizing, yes. His high tenor adds an > absolutely stunning harmony in contrast to Lori's hard edge on > the chorus that is nothing less than amazing. > > Just my opinion. :-) > > SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:05:36 +0100 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Fireflies Smokey opined: > >>>and Ellis Paul's whiny voice where Kris's sultry one use to be.<<< > > Arrrrgh!! One thing Ellis Paul's voice has NEVER been is whiny! Etheral, > yes. Mesmerizing, yes. His high tenor adds an absolutely stunning harmony > in contrast to Lori's hard edge on the chorus that is nothing less than > amazing. I would agree that to call Ellis "whiny" is a misrepresentation. But have you heard the Respond version of Fireflies with Kris Delmhorst? I defy *anyone* to prefer the version featuring Ellis. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:11:04 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] Overproduction >>>Smokey, of course I second that! I was going to say something (:-)) but you said it much more eloquently than I could have.<<< Katrin, I knew I could count on you! :-) SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 2001 19:45 GMT From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de Subject: Re: [RS] Fireflies > I would agree that to call Ellis "whiny" is a misrepresentation. But have > you heard the Respond version of Fireflies with Kris Delmhorst? I defy > *anyone* to prefer the version featuring Ellis. > > Dave. honey, would that be inlcuding ME? :-) curious, Katrin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:56:18 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Fireflies I must confess that I have not heard the other version and therefore have nothing to compare this one to. But it sure sounds great to me the way it is. :-) SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:27:19 +0100 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Fireflies Katrin was curious: > > I would agree that to call Ellis "whiny" is a misrepresentation. But have > > you heard the Respond version of Fireflies with Kris Delmhorst? I defy > > *anyone* to prefer the version featuring Ellis. > > honey, would that be inlcuding ME? :-) Yes, sis, even though you are leaving for the US shortly to stalk Ellis Paul across several states, I think you'd appreciate the sparseness of the original version. :-) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:37:00 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Memory of You-- Hamlet's ghost Sometime ago, Carol pointed out to me (I don't recall whether it was on the list or privately) that "Memory of You" is written from Gertrude's point of view after being haunted by Old Hamlet's ghost. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #127 ***********************************