From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #120 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] injured courier? [jcolb ] [RS] SOTW again [jcolb ] Re: [RS] injured courier? [Elwestrand ] [RS] sotw-the courier add'l [jcolb ] RE: [RS] injured courier? ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] Re: the courier [Tom Neff ] RE: [RS] Re: the courier ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] Re: the courier ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:59:56 +0000 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] injured courier? > Well first off I don't agree that it is entirely "surface" as > Tom puts it. We know that at least one of the couriers is > injured and I think that there is alot of information implied if > you care to use your "imagination" :-)! Wait a sec, did i miss the injured part too? What lines imply the injury? jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:54:00 +0000 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] SOTW again Okay, i gotta admit one other thing too. More i listen to it, I think there should have been a third point of reference if we were changing time frames in the song. maybe it's just me, but I have difficulties with the switch from midieval times to ww1 times with nothing breaking it up or sequeing into something else. Jimmy webb's song the highwayman (whom you should really hear either him do it solo on piano or glen campbell do is solo acoustic if the nelson and cronies version is your only familiarity with the song) takes us from the horsedrawn to the stratoshere, but it does it by establishing multiple reference points for the narrator. Doesn't mean i don't love the courier- i do- but I am having a bit of a problem with the time change transition. jim colbert somewhere near bellefonte "no son, the battle's not over/the battle has only begun..." - -johnny cash anyone remember that one? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:26:11 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] injured courier? A flare-shot leaves a scar Burning in the dark On my forearms Through the barbed-wire Another fifty yards Well I thought this section implied that he was burnt by a falling bit of flare-shot, he doesn't give it much thought cause he has to keep moving, but it "leaves a scar." Or now, come to think of it, it could also be the image of the flare burning in his eyes. Hmm what do you guys think? I just tried to look up flare-shot but it is not in the dictionary so I don't know exactly what it is. Is it a flare? Or some type of artillery? Whoever the next person to talk to Richard is, should find out! E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Thu, 05 Apr 2001, jcolb (jcolb@barashgroup.com) wrote: > > Well first off I don't agree that it is entirely "surface" as > > Tom puts it. We know that at least one of the couriers is > > injured and I think that there is alot of information implied if > > you care to use your "imagination" :-)! > > Wait a sec, did i miss the injured part too? > > What lines imply the injury? > > > jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:26:35 +0000 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] sotw-the courier add'l Now, see, I took the line of the flare shot leaving a scar as it left the scar across the night sky- ala "4th of july tracers" or the scud missile trails in the gulf... which would be pretty if you removed yourself from the destruction on the other end... and that 'on my forearms-" to me, started the next thought, which was how he was crawling- in a similar combat situation, to get under the barbed wire and to keep as low a profile as possible, which is making you less of a target. (from whence comes the advice to keep your head down from those old war movies...) I think it's kind of neat how we see things differently sometimes, y'know? Or heck, maybe it's REALLY about that old Ford mini-pickup that preceded the Ranger! jim colbert listening to james brown at the apollo and with reservations for godfrey daniels show on may 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:02:35 -0700 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] injured courier? >> Hmm what do you guys think? I just tried to look up flare-shot but it is not in the dictionary so I don't know exactly what it is. Is it a flare? Or some type of artillery? << Flares were used to illuminate the enemy's positions at night. Very much like a firework, it is shot up in the air and it falls slowly and burns like a road flare. It could mean that the flare-shot illuminates the scars on the battlefield or that he in fact was touched by a burning ember. Either way, this courier stays his course in spite of it. Also, we've discussed the anachronisms before, like the chain mail. Didn't someone mention that Richard did this intentionally? The Chinese may have used flares in the days of chain mail but never the Prince of Whales, I'm sure. This juxtaposition caught my attention right away but never spoiled the song for me. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:06:15 -0400 From: Tom Neff Subject: [RS] Re: the courier Elwestrand wrote: > > A flare-shot leaves a scar > Burning in the dark > On my forearms > Through the barbed-wire > Another fifty yards > > Well I thought this section implied that he was burnt by a > falling bit of flare-shot, he doesn't give it much thought cause > he has to keep moving, but it "leaves a scar." Or now, come to > think of it, it could also be the image of the flare burning in > his eyes. Hmm what do you guys think? Nononono... "On my forearms / through the barbed-wire" is a new sentence. He's not saying the flare hit his arm; he's saying he's crawling on his forearms through the barbed wire. Before that he's saying someone shot a flare and it leaves a shining trail and light. Two successive images. - -- a reminder - this list is archived: http://grassyhill.org/stax/shindell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:25:12 -0500 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Re: the courier >> Nononono... "On my forearms / through the barbed-wire" is a new sentence. << But what is confusing here is that Richard starts the new sentence in the middle of a melodical phrase, so it can be interpreted to overlap or mix the images into one. Again, I think that's intentional. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:54:14 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: RE: [RS] Re: the courier John wrote: >>But what is confusing here is that Richard starts the new sentence in the middle of a melodical phrase, so it can be interpreted to overlap or mix the images into one. Again, I think that's intentional. << I think it's intentional too. He's weaving together many images of couriers throughout time and they coalesece into the one courier in the WW1 trench warfare. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #120 ***********************************