From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #91 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, March 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Ascent [TRNMT@aol.com] Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. [jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:41:33 EST From: TRNMT@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Ascent In a message dated 3/14/01 10:00:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, roxylee@earthlink.net writes: > >God knows I don't deserve this > >After all the pain I've caused > > None of us deserve divine forgiveness, but it is freely given to all > who repent and turn away from sin to obey God. > > >But do me one last service > >Before I take that walk > >Before my soul flies from this chamber > >And heaven beckons me across > >Read me what the Savior said > >To that thief upon the cross > > Lu 23:43 And he said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you will be > with me in Paradise. > > He knows he was transformed, but needs to hear the promise to give > him courage before going to his death. > > That's my interpretation as a believer. > Thank you, Roxylee, for removing the log from my eye. I kept hearing the: God knows I don't deserve this After all the pain I've caused in terms of the narrator thinking that he doesn't deserve to be executed. Yikes...am I dull. Grace ... that thing we don't deserve. How did I miss that??? Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:33:52 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. The thing I have foudn is that you are usually better off not getting to "know" the artists you admire. When you do, you find out that they, like everyone else, have feet of clay and it can be really disappointing. Something about real life not living up to the art. Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Oprysko To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. > Ron G Wrote: > >Maybe he doesn't want us to get too close to "Richard > >Shindell" himself. I'm sure he sees the drooling adoration that >seems to > >follow Dar Williams around, and just doesn't want it. Can't >say that I > >blame him, particularly when fans cross the line and start >grabbing arms. > >. . or rushing the stage . . . or worse. There was >this guy named John > >Lennon . . . > >RG > > Ron, I totally agree. I have never really understood the obsession that some > fans seem to have with Dar and it seems at times, like it's almost > borderline-stalking behavior. She seems like a lovely person and I like her > music a great deal but don't have any particular desire to become her pal. > The same goes for Richard and other performers. Maybe it's because I'm in my > mid forties and have pretty much lost my awe of singers, movie stars etc, > preferring to se them as ordinary people, who just happen to be talented in > one area of life. I have been a Richard fan for quite some time now but have > rarely stayed for any after-show events. I am hoping to get the chance to > talk with Dave and Tracy when I see them later this month but it's only > because I feel like I have something to say to them and not because I feel > the need to bask in their presence or come off as their special fan.. The > incident at the Iron Horse show did really shake me. The guy seemed very > unbalanced and I thought, what if he doesn't let go? It's good to hear that > Richard can take care of himself but what if it happened to someone who > could not? I too, think of Lennon every time I see something like this. Take > Care, Robin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:30:29 EST From: FJPQ@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Ascent After Roxylee turned the light on, Nancy "assented": Thank you, Roxylee, for removing the log from my eye. I kept hearing the: God knows I don't deserve this After all the pain I've caused in terms of the narrator thinking that he doesn't deserve to be executed. Yikes...am I dull. Grace ... that thing we don't deserve. How did I miss that??? >> don't worry Nancy, I won't tell your New Testament professor you were snoozing during that class :) Fran ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:34:04 -0500 From: Howie Subject: [RS] The Chords Of Fame RonG's subject line fired off a neuron and it seems appropriate to share the following lyric: Chords Of Fame By Phil Ochs I found him by the stage last night He was breathing his last breath A bottle of wine and a cigarette Was all that he had left "I can see you make the music 'Cause you carry a guitar But God help the troubadour Who tries to be a star" So play the chords of love, my friend Play the chords of pain If you want to keep your song, Don't, don't, don't...don't play the chords of fame I seen my share of hustlers As they try to take the world When they find their melody They're surrounded by the girls But it all fades so quickly Like a sunny summer day Reporters ask you questions They write down what you say (chorus) They'll rob you of your innocence They will put you up for sale The more that you will find success The more that you will fail I been around, I've had my share And I really can't complain But I wonder who I left behind The other side of fame (chorus) - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 05:31:40 GMT From: jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord) Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. That is certainly true for me and the magical artist who introduced me to the world of singer songwriters. I can no longer bear to see any performances. john On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:33:52 -0500, "Joe Lanzalotto" wrote: >The thing I have foudn is that you are usually better off not getting to >"know" the artists you admire. When you do, you find out that they, like >everyone else, have feet of clay and it can be really disappointing. >Something about real life not living up to the art. > >Joe >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robin Oprysko >To: >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:39 PM >Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. > > >> Ron G Wrote: >> >Maybe he doesn't want us to get too close to "Richard >> >Shindell" himself. I'm sure he sees the drooling adoration that >seems >to >> >follow Dar Williams around, and just doesn't want it. Can't >say that I >> >blame him, particularly when fans cross the line and start >grabbing >arms. >> >. . or rushing the stage . . . or worse. There was >this guy named John >> >Lennon . . . >> >RG >> >> Ron, I totally agree. I have never really understood the obsession that >some >> fans seem to have with Dar and it seems at times, like it's almost >> borderline-stalking behavior. She seems like a lovely person and I like >her >> music a great deal but don't have any particular desire to become her pal. >> The same goes for Richard and other performers. Maybe it's because I'm in >my >> mid forties and have pretty much lost my awe of singers, movie stars etc, >> preferring to se them as ordinary people, who just happen to be talented >in >> one area of life. I have been a Richard fan for quite some time now but >have >> rarely stayed for any after-show events. I am hoping to get the chance to >> talk with Dave and Tracy when I see them later this month but it's only >> because I feel like I have something to say to them and not because I feel >> the need to bask in their presence or come off as their special fan.. The >> incident at the Iron Horse show did really shake me. The guy seemed very >> unbalanced and I thought, what if he doesn't let go? It's good to hear >that >> Richard can take care of himself but what if it happened to someone who >> could not? I too, think of Lennon every time I see something like this. >Take >> Care, Robin >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #91 **********************************