From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #90 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Richard's Left Hook [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Fan is actually an abbreviation of 'Fanatic' ["Gene Frey" ] Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. ["Robin Oprysko" ] RE: [RS] that gallant marine ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] Richard's Left Hook ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] Re: [RS] Richards Left Hook [vcwills@Princeton.EDU (Vanessa Christina Wil] Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. ["L. Davis" ] [RS] fandom ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] fandom [Elwestrand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:30:46 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Richard's Left Hook Not only did the woman rush the stage at Richard's Fez gig but she insisted on dancing this little dance while she was there, as if everyone in the audience came to watch her instead of listening to Richard Shindell. She clearly made RS extremely nervous. As for that guy in the audience grabbing Richard's hand and not letting go, well at least if it came down to it, Richard could have slugged him. Ever take a close look at Richard's pecs? He knocks someone down, they don't get up again. Now that, I'd buy tickets to, even though I abhor violence in any form as a rule. RabbitPunchinRon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:35:04 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Fan is actually an abbreviation of 'Fanatic' Hey you guys, Ron G. cautioned: >>We expect them to drag themselves out after an exhausting show for a meet >>& greet, and are angered when they don't. We expect them to know our >>names, and are disappointed if they don't. We want them to >>enthusiastically accept our gifts, we want them to respond to our emails, >>we want them to be our friend. << Not me. I just want him to play 'The Weather.' Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:38:50 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] that gallant marine the marine song.. th gallant marine song.. belongs to JOHN GORKA..though i can see how a drunk guy can confuse gorka with richard. something aboutpeople like us.. who are getting old.. losing their hair and eyesight..sharon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:39:35 From: "Robin Oprysko" Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. Ron G Wrote: >Maybe he doesn't want us to get too close to "Richard >Shindell" himself. I'm sure he sees the drooling adoration that >seems to >follow Dar Williams around, and just doesn't want it. Can't >say that I >blame him, particularly when fans cross the line and start >grabbing arms. >. . or rushing the stage . . . or worse. There was >this guy named John >Lennon . . . >RG Ron, I totally agree. I have never really understood the obsession that some fans seem to have with Dar and it seems at times, like it's almost borderline-stalking behavior. She seems like a lovely person and I like her music a great deal but don't have any particular desire to become her pal. The same goes for Richard and other performers. Maybe it's because I'm in my mid forties and have pretty much lost my awe of singers, movie stars etc, preferring to se them as ordinary people, who just happen to be talented in one area of life. I have been a Richard fan for quite some time now but have rarely stayed for any after-show events. I am hoping to get the chance to talk with Dave and Tracy when I see them later this month but it's only because I feel like I have something to say to them and not because I feel the need to bask in their presence or come off as their special fan.. The incident at the Iron Horse show did really shake me. The guy seemed very unbalanced and I thought, what if he doesn't let go? It's good to hear that Richard can take care of himself but what if it happened to someone who could not? I too, think of Lennon every time I see something like this. Take Care, Robin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:25:46 -0800 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] that gallant marine >> the marine song.. th gallant marine song.. belongs to JOHN GORKA..though i can see how a drunk guy can confuse gorka with richard. something aboutpeople like us.. who are getting old.. losing their hair and eyesight..sharon << If Richard had been obliging (not that he SHOULD have, but...) He could have played The Things That I Have Seen and this guy may not have known the difference. john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:43:44 -0500 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] Richard's Left Hook RR wrote: Sorry, I was too busy cleaning up his damn crackers. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:09:25 -0500 (EST) From: vcwills@Princeton.EDU (Vanessa Christina Wills) Subject: Re: [RS] Richards Left Hook Ahem! Right . . . Well, uh, no, can't say that I have. We won't be having a replay at the Makor, now will we, Ron? Peace, Love, and Mischief, Vanessa, smiling and nodding as she slowly backs out of the room ;-) RockinRonD@aol.com wrote: >if it came down to it, Richard could have slugged him. >Ever take a close look at Richard's pecs? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Davis" Subject: Re: [RS] The other side of fandom. Some of us are just a little intense. There are so many things I want to say to George Orwell if I ever get the chance! :) Not to mention the month I spent wandering around Philadelphia in a daze mooning over John Keats-- and we won't discuss the people who aren't even REAL, the characters in books.... Then again, I'm just a laywer, and the things my clients tell me! Face it, people just want to "connect," and when you seem to be opening your heart and mind, it's an opening. Fortunately, most of us have enough reserve/embarassment to keep us in line! lisa de-lurking ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:29:26 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] fandom i dont think that this list is naive to think that if Richard suddenly woke up tomorrow with a larger fan base, selling out larger venues, selling more and more cds, selling more and more merchandise that he would shy away from the increase in success, more fans and definately much more money. the issues for me are safety.. the artists need to be safe. and then the second is WHY they do what they do. i dont believe its true altruism.. or they would not be in the public eye or put themselves on stage, or appreciate the adoration, applause. they could give to the public in other ways.. like being a social worker.. and they dont have perform if its for teh love of music.. i cant help thinking it for the admiration of the public and for the money.. sharon >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:09:53 EST >From: Rongrittz@aol.com >Subject: [RS] The other side of fandom. > ><< I was making reference to the Fez show where a "very happy" woman actually >rushed the stage during "Are You Happy Now". >> > >The whole thing is very scary, and I can fully understand how performers can >be reluctant to share any more of themselves than just the music. I see it >all too often, when fans try to insinuate themselves into an artist's >personal life, and expect the artist to give more than the only thing we, the >fans, are truly entitled to: our money's worth, either on a CD or at a >concert. > >We expect them to drag themselves out after an exhausting show for a meet & >greet, and are angered when they don't. We expect them to know our names, >and are disappointed if they don't. We want them to enthusiastically accept >our gifts, we want them to respond to our emails, we want them to be our >friend. > >Isn't it enough that they give us music that speaks to our souls? I don't >think it's a coincidence that so many of Richard's songs speak through the >voice of others. Maybe he doesn't want us to get too close to "Richard >Shindell" himself. I'm sure he sees the drooling adoration that seems to >follow Dar Williams around, and just doesn't want it. Can't say that I blame >him, particularly when fans cross the line and start grabbing arms . . . or >rushing the stage . . . or worse. There was this guy named John Lennon . . . > >RG > >------------------------------ > >End of shindell-list-digest V3 #89 >********************************** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:23:19 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] fandom Ms. Sharon G wrote: WHY they do what they do. i dont believe > its > true altruism.. or they would not be in the public eye or put themselves > on stage, or appreciate the adoration, applause. they could give to the > public in other ways.. like being a social worker.. and they dont have > perform if its for teh love of music.. i cant help thinking it for the > admiration of the public and for the money.. > > sharon I can't argue that someone like Madonna is not really deep down just an attention whore (which is not to say I haven't enjoyed some of her music through the years), but there is another reason to be an artist. That reason is that it is your life's calling to be one. And nothing is more honorable or more valid to me than that. If you follow your calling you are doing the best thing you can for the world and yourself. God forbid that Dar or Richard had been a social worker who just played open mics. I would have been denied the pleasure of their work and the inspiration it provides me on an ongoing basis. There is more than one "pure" way to give of yourself. If we each followed our callings the world would be a gentler place. Lastly as for people who seek attention, I think we all do it at different times in our own ways. Some healthy, some not. I think it is possible to reach a place where you don't seek others approval, but I don't think too many people reach it. Can't say that I have. Gosh I hope you guys approve of this post ;-) E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #90 **********************************