From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #75 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Songbooks. [Rebecca Lay ] [RS] a few more decent songbooks [jcolb ] [RS] broken g strings [Lee Wessman ] Re: [RS] Lessons Learned ["Brian Williamson" ] Re: [RS] broken g strings [Jeff Gilson ] Re: [RS] Lessons Learned [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Git Fiddle List ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:31:34 -0500 From: Rebecca Lay Subject: Re: [RS] Songbooks. Add Patty Larkin's songbook to the list of incredibly accurate ones...and if I was a better player, they'd sound even more like the real thing ;) Her book lists all tunings, and even distinguish between guitars when laying out all of the parts of the song. Really a great book. For a really easy song to play, that will sound like the real thing immediately, try Lucinda Williams' "Jackson"--only three chords, just D, G, A. Try it! - --Rebecca At 12:13 PM 3/6/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> Most song books attempt to portray the song the way the artist plays > it. I've found very many of them to be wrong. I bought a Mary Chapin > Carpenter song book at a music store and never could find one song in it > that either sounded right or was very easy to play. << > >Interestingly, in my experience, most songbooks make absolutely NO attempt >to indicate how the artist ACTUALLY plays the song -- rarely indicating >open tunings or capo placement, for example -- and just do an E-Z version >for the CGD crowd. Often inaccurate, and often Just Plain Wrong. > >There are exceptions, of course. Some artists are aware of the problem >and are taking a more hands-on approach to their songbooks. In the case >of David Wilcox's excellent CD, "Underneath," for example, he actually >videotaped himself playing all the songs from the album, and gave the tape >to the publishing company so they could do their transcriptions right from >the horse's fingers, so to speak. > >Robin Batteau and Dave Carter/Tracy Grammer have also been responsible for >producing their own songbooks. > >RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:41:19 -0500 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] a few more decent songbooks > There are exceptions, of course. Some artists are aware of the problem and are taking a more hands-on approach to their songbooks. In the case of David Wilcox's excellent CD, "Underneath," for example, he actually videotaped himself playing all the songs from the album, and gave the tape to the publishing company so they could do their transcriptions right from the horse's fingers, so to speak. > > Robin Batteau and Dave Carter/Tracy Grammer have also been responsible for producing their own songbooks. > The Maine singer-songwriter Gordon Bok also has a pretty good songbook that he put together that has notes on the songs themselves, tunings, capos, even info on the guitars he used, etc. Plus, a bunch of his own illustrations and woodcuts of mostly nautical scenes... it's not slick, but it is well done. Seems to me the old Bill Staines one was much like this too, as they both spurned from folk legacy records years back. jpc in sc pa trying to think of some GCD songs... Margaritaville? Teach your children? Rock Salt and Nails by utah phillips? Early Jackson Browne? Now, the challenge is thinking of INTERESTING songs in GCD... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:11:31 -0800 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] broken g strings Ed, if you're unable to file your nut slots (geez, clary) try putting a little graphite in there when you change 'em. Pencil lead will do just fine. Makes the string slide more easily over the nut. - -lee p.s. And what IS the address of the guitar list, anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:27:00 -0500 From: "Brian Williamson" Subject: Re: [RS] Lessons Learned Well somebody said "Early Jackson Browne". Here is one (although it does stray from the GCD specification by throwing in Am). Anyway, I happen to like Jackson Browne. JACKSON BROWNE: CALL IT A LOAN G C G In the morning when I close my eyes C D G you were sleepin' in paradise. G C G And while the room was growing light C D G I was holding still with all my might. C D G C Am G Oh, oh, what if it's true, aah, what my heart says? C D G C Oh, oh, what'll I do? G D G What if this feeling becomes hard to part with? G C G You were meant to play your part C D G In the desire of a desperate heart. G C G And while you gave your love to me C D G I was betting I would getting it free. C D G C Am G Oh, oh, if I'd only know, aah, what your heart costs. C D G C Oh, oh, can we call it a loan, G D G And a debt that I owe on a bet that I lost? G C G In the evening when you see my eyes C D G Looking back at you, no disguise. G C G I'm not sure who you think you'll see, C D G I'm just hoping you still know that it's me. C D G C Am G Oh, oh, what if it's true, aah, better ask the man inside? C D G C Oh, oh, they seem to be true, G D G One steals the love, and the other one hides. G C G Yeah, can we call it a loan C D G that I'm paying for for the seeds I have sown? G C G Yeah, can we say that I've grown C D G in some ways that we may have yet to be shown? C D G C Am G Oh, oh, if I'd only know, aah, what your heart costs. C D G C Oh, oh, can we call it a loan, G D G And a debt that I owe on a bet that I lost? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elwestrand To: RockinRonD@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [RS] Lessons Learned > > I owe a great deal to the improvement in my playing from the > many songs > > he > > has posted on his chord page, which is the best on the > internet. Use > > it, > > spend some time reading and understanding what he's saying and > you'll be > > > > surprised how good your guitar playing can begin to sound. > > Well RRon I certainly do liberally use Ron G's page now. I > also really take advantage of him (but he seems to like it ;-)) > and ask him for special requests. I have also used OLGA and I > understand that some songs are easier than others. But some > things ARE hard you guys! Do you remember when you first learned > barre chords? It seemed impossible to me at first. And sometimes > it just plain physically hurts. Again, I am not saying don't do > it, but don't sugarcoat it either. The rewards for playing (even > badly) are great. I just believe that if you tell someone > something is super simple and they find out its not for them, > they will assume that there is something lacking in them. Or > maybe I am just the only one who ever had a problem learning and > you are all naturals. Lucky you. > > Anyways, if we are going to continue this thread maybe we ought > to move it on over to our cozy guitar list so as not to make > other people crazy. > > >Clary insert guitar list stuff here< > > :-) > > E > > P.S. - Love to have any of you send me some GCD songs. I don't > know a one. Wilder than her is about the easiest song I know, > but that does have a sus or two and a G7. > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:32:24 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] broken g strings Lee wrote: >Ed, if you're unable to file your nut slots (geez, clary) try putting a >little graphite in there when you change 'em. Pencil lead will do just >fine. Makes the string slide more easily over the nut. My word. Talk about nut slots and G strings. What kind of list is this? jeff. - -- And if you ask me for the truth I will tell you only this that I have loved no other quite like this --Beth Amsel - -- (an index of free radical activity) http://www.onefreeradical.com/Journal/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:01:38 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Lessons Learned >> Well somebody said "Early Jackson Browne". Here is one (although it does stray from the GCD specification by throwing in Am). Anyway, I happen to like Jackson Browne. << Me, too, and "Call it a Loan" is one of my favorite JB songs. Wouldn't exactly call it "early," though, since it *did* come from his sixth album. And, geez, talk about RICHARD taking a long time between albums. Jackson hasn't had a CD of all new music since the February '96 release of "Looking East." RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:41:24 -0800 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: [RS] Git Fiddle List >> p.s. And what IS the address of the guitar list, anyway? << http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GuitarStuff/join Post message: GuitarStuff@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: GuitarStuff-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: GuitarStuff-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: GuitarStuff-owner@yahoogroups.com - -- john andrew clary home mailto:john.cleirigh@juno.com work mailto:clry@chevron.com "the music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. there's also a negative side." ~ hunter s. thompson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #75 **********************************