From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #74 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Lessons Learned [RockinRonD@aol.com] Re: [RS] RE: DULY CHASTISED AGAIN ["Brian Williamson" ] [RS] Songbooks. [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] Songbooks. ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] Re: [RS] Songbooks. [Jeff Gilson ] RE: [RS] Songbooks. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Lessons Learned [Elwestrand ] RE: [RS] Songbooks. ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:23:03 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Lessons Learned In a message dated 3/6/2001 5:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Lisa writes: > >>And I don't know where you get the songbooks with the GCD songs, but > everything I want to play seems to be a whole lot more complicated than > that. Which isn't to discourage you, but I find it discouraging being told > how easy something is and then doing alot of struggling. So I am saying > some of it is hard right up front.<< Lisa, Lisa (now there's a song)...one of the greatest things about these lists is the number of people willing to share. And I can think of no one more generous than Ron Greitzer, who has taken the time to share with us the chords to all the songs he has figured out. I can attest to the remarkable accuracy of his transcriptions but even more important, Ron does an incredible job of walking you through the difficult parts where there are any. He's a bit of a perfectionist, but we only benefit from his being so. I owe a great deal to the improvement in my playing from the many songs he has posted on his chord page, which is the best on the internet. Use it, spend some time reading and understanding what he's saying and you'll be surprised how good your guitar playing can begin to sound. This is especially true with RS songs, which Ron knows backwards and forwards. Heck, he evens posts chords to songs he doesn't particularly like or play himself. I only wish I could repay him for all his largesse over the years. Hey Ron, wanna go to Richard's Huntington show on me? ThankinRon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:31:53 -0500 From: "Brian Williamson" Subject: Re: [RS] RE: DULY CHASTISED AGAIN El, You are probably right, you won't find too many GCD songbooks. But if you visit Harmony Central (http:\\www.harmony-central.com) you will find a search engine that allows you to look up your favorite songs either by song title or artist. Chances are that any songs you find this way will be very playable, simple versions with words and chords. Most song books attempt to portray the song the way the artist plays it. I've found very many of them to be wrong. I bought a Mary Chapin Carpenter song book at a music store and never could find one song in it that either sounded right or was very easy to play. I looked for some of the same songs at Harmony Central (which by the way is part of the Online Guitar Archive, or OLGA) and found very playable and good sounding versions. Give it a try. brian. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elwestrand To: jcolb Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: [RS] RE: DULY CHASTISED AGAIN . And I > don't know where you get the songbooks with the GCD songs, but > everything I want to play seems to be a whole lot more > complicated than that. Which isn't to discourage you, but I find > it discouraging being told how easy something is and then doing > alot of struggling. So I am saying some of it is hard right up > front. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:13:20 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Songbooks. >> Most song books attempt to portray the song the way the artist plays it. I've found very many of them to be wrong. I bought a Mary Chapin Carpenter song book at a music store and never could find one song in it that either sounded right or was very easy to play. << Interestingly, in my experience, most songbooks make absolutely NO attempt to indicate how the artist ACTUALLY plays the song -- rarely indicating open tunings or capo placement, for example -- and just do an E-Z version for the CGD crowd. Often inaccurate, and often Just Plain Wrong. Heck, even Dar Williams' songbook gets some of the tunings wrong, unless there's a new tuning called DAGDAD that I've never heard of. Granted, it's a typo, but one that can really screw up someone who's trying to learn. There are exceptions, of course. Some artists are aware of the problem and are taking a more hands-on approach to their songbooks. In the case of David Wilcox's excellent CD, "Underneath," for example, he actually videotaped himself playing all the songs from the album, and gave the tape to the publishing company so they could do their transcriptions right from the horse's fingers, so to speak. Robin Batteau and Dave Carter/Tracy Grammer have also been responsible for producing their own songbooks. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:20:29 -0500 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] Songbooks. DAGDAD? That's hilarious! I'm inspired to create a tab page dedicated to that tuning now. Although I'd be afraid to mess with the G-string that much. Does anyone else out there have the same infernal reservations about retuning the G-string that I do? I swear that thing breaks so easily. Lately I have been having High-E string issues too. That is the down-side of constantly using alternate tunings (at least for me). I always break strings tuning back to standard. I actually have "string changing songs" that I only play when planning to change my strings...that way I don't have to try to retune after I'm done. After all, nothing stops my heart like a string breaking while tuning it up. I swear they'll find me dead at 42 hunched over a guitar with a broken string clutching a nitro tablet in one hand. I have a real string breaking phobia I guess. Can anyone out there relate? P.S. Just so this isn't totally off-topic for the list...I hear Richard breaks strings too. Obviously a pack of filthy lies... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:18:51 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Songbooks. RonG wrote: >Robin Batteau and Dave Carter/Tracy Grammer have also been responsible for >producing their own songbooks. And then you have the Nields, who just write their own songbooks, and make no attempt at giving you more than the chords, and present it a la Rise Up Singing. jeff. - -- Defied I'm tongue tied when I try to explain how I feel so foreign all blushed with emotion and rough terminology laced up with language o lest you forget me --Susan McKeown - -- (an index of free radical activity) http://www.onefreeradical.com/Journal/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:22:34 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] Songbooks. >> Does anyone else out there have the same infernal reservations about retuning the G-string that I do? << Nope. I never have to worry about it, now that I own one guitar per tuning. Means I have to carry a bunch of instruments to my gigs, but no broken string problems. >> Lately I have been having High-E string issues too. << Among other issues you have, no doubt. ;-) >> I always break strings tuning back to standard I hear Richard breaks strings too. << Actually, the only time I ever saw him pop one was during tuning from DADGAD *down* to Open D (the G string, natch) when he was about to do "Arrowhead" as an encore at a '97 house concert. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:13:10 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] Lessons Learned > I owe a great deal to the improvement in my playing from the many songs > he > has posted on his chord page, which is the best on the internet. Use > it, > spend some time reading and understanding what he's saying and you'll be > > surprised how good your guitar playing can begin to sound. Well RRon I certainly do liberally use Ron G's page now. I also really take advantage of him (but he seems to like it ;-)) and ask him for special requests. I have also used OLGA and I understand that some songs are easier than others. But some things ARE hard you guys! Do you remember when you first learned barre chords? It seemed impossible to me at first. And sometimes it just plain physically hurts. Again, I am not saying don't do it, but don't sugarcoat it either. The rewards for playing (even badly) are great. I just believe that if you tell someone something is super simple and they find out its not for them, they will assume that there is something lacking in them. Or maybe I am just the only one who ever had a problem learning and you are all naturals. Lucky you. Anyways, if we are going to continue this thread maybe we ought to move it on over to our cozy guitar list so as not to make other people crazy. >Clary insert guitar list stuff here< :-) E P.S. - Love to have any of you send me some GCD songs. I don't know a one. Wilder than her is about the easiest song I know, but that does have a sus or two and a G7. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:54:12 -0600 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Songbooks. Ed mused: >> I swear they'll find me dead at 42 hunched over a guitar with a broken string clutching a nitro tablet in one hand. I have a real string breaking phobia I guess. Can anyone out there relate? P.S. Just so this isn't totally off-topic for the list...I hear Richard breaks strings too. Obviously a pack of filthy lies... << Sure Ed, have your nut slots filed smooth, loosen your capo tension a teensy bit when you tune and this fear will no longer grip you. You need to buy a Paige for this. On the other hand, I kinda got the impression that if Richard broke his G string on stage you'd be happy to see it. =) - -- john andrew clary home mailto:john.cleirigh@juno.com work mailto:clry@chevron.com "the music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. there's also a negative side." ~ hunter s. thompson ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #74 **********************************