From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #63 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 03 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Why Grammy, What little teeth you have [Tricia9999@aol.com] Re: Re: [RS] It's E-Neff [Elwestrand ] Re: [RS] It's E-Neff [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] tributes ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] It's E-Neff ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] fast folk query [patrick t power ] RE: [RS] It's E-Neff [Howie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:34:52 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Why Grammy, What little teeth you have In a message dated 02/25/2001 12:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, Vanessa writes: > For the most part, I do not believe that there is any > such thing as personal taste anymore. People wear the clothes that TNBC and > the > Gap tell them to wear, and listen to the music that mainstream radio tells > them > to listen to. There is no concept of "what I like," at least not so long as > "individuality" is the stuff bottled and sold inside a Pepsi can. I believe it is true that the marketers are largely dictating tastes, as are the researchers that look for stuff that will hook the greatest numbers. Jazz has recently done a spike in sales due to the Ken Burns series and all the writing about the series. However, I'm betting that jazz sales will fall back to their middling level after all the hype has worn off. Most people don't actually want to listen to music. They want it to wash over them with a catchy tune. And most people don't seem to want to take all the effort to listen to lyrics beyond a memorable chorus. I, for one, am grateful that I get to go to shows that will only have 100-200 people, so I'm actually grateful that others aren't interested in the same music I am. I wouldn't go to live shows if I had to fight through thousands of people. Different strokes for different folks is fine with me. My brother gets enraptured when listening to Mahler and can't quite understand why people don't see the magic of classical music. My brother-in-law can't understand why everyone doesn't love Keb Mo or Dr. John or Richard Bona, etc. Music is subjective. We are all moved by different stuff. And the grammys are just a money making machine not unlike the latest JIm Carey or Arnold S. movie. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:52:18 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] It's E-Neff Ron G wrote > And besides, do we really want there to be an arena where Richard and > Dar and > Lucy are forced to "compete" for some nebulous concept called "Best Folk > > Album?" I couldn't agree more with how much of a bad idea this would be! The reason the Grammys are so bad and just plain bizarre sometimes is that they are just the result of the marketing machines of the major record companies. So if there were a "folk" version it would just be the result of the marketing machine of the smaller record companies. So the folkies with little financial backing - say a Kris Delmhorst - would probably have little chance of competing with a Dar or Richard. There are a few more reasons why the grammys are so wierd. One reason is that some of the major entertainment companies have HUGE voting blocks. Especially Time Warner. So any album put out or distributed by them is in good position to win. Secondly, the people who vote do not represent the whole demographic of music listeners neither by age or taste. Most of the voters work in the industry and many of them are "suits." The whole thing is kind of a scam. Well at least by Sharon G's reckoning Richard and Dar will be getting grammies in about 20 yrs. And by the way having had the pleasure of seeing Dave Alvin perform some cuts from his "Public Domain" album I cannot argue with Grammy's choice there. The songs he chose are songs he cherishes and it shows. And to Vanessa - I don't think its right to call mainstream America Stupid. Although I do think it is right to call them uninformed. Most people are just trying to survive and don't take much time out to try and investigate music choices and maverick fashion. Consider yourself lucky that you have the time, will and education to look around and find your own way. I will say however that I love people who have an independent spirit and who love the arts. People who don't love music kinda worry me, but it's the people who don't own books that just plain scare me. E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:29:22 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] It's E-Neff Elwestrand wrote: > And to Vanessa - I don't think its right to call mainstream > America Stupid. Although I do think it is right to call them > uninformed. Most people are just trying to survive and don't > take much time out to try and investigate music choices and > maverick fashion. Fair enough--that's what I was trying to get at, though, by saying that they probably don't start out that way. I just happen to think that pop culture has a very potent stupefying effect, and most people are victims of it as much as they are consumers. Not that I think that I'm some encyclopedia of music knowledge. Just that I think I have a better idea of how much there is that I _don't_ know, than most people do. On a happier note, Yes! Another Nick Cave fan. :-) I was playing what has got to be the most perfect punk rock song ever, "Deanna," over and over today. :-) Peace, Love, and Mischief, Vanessa np: Nick Cave, "Henry's Dream" - -- "Some recall experience/ So others can run the same road But you just write down possibilities/ So you can spend more time at home." --30 Odd Foot of Grunts, "You Treat Me Like Chocolate" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:54:36 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] tributes Well, speaking of tributes, Dar contributed to the Springsteen tribute with a wonderfully unrushed cover of "Highway Patrolman". I wonder whether there are any plans for a TV special for the Boss tribute. Now, we've got to get Richard on a tribute album. I still want him to do Jackson Browne's "For a dancer". Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:17:21 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] It's E-Neff I wondered how they could have a Joni Mitchell tribute and not have Tom Rush on it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katrin Uhl To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [RS] It's E-Neff > hi guys, > > catching up with zillions of mails and this interesting thread. > A few things that come to my mind: there are awards for "our music". > What about the Boston-I-forgot-the-proper-name-right-now-awards? > But true, there is no US-wide award. > > > That tribute to Joni Mitchell that was > > on TV a few > > months ago was terrific--Richard Thompson doing a Joni cover was > > tremendous > > and made for great TV entertainment. So soulful. Ditto for > > Cyndi Lauper's > > cover. > > A tv-tribute along those lines is what I'd much rather like to see, > not another awards show. The same cast, but a different format, not > just a "get your award, thank what ever divine being you believe in > and leave the stage-thing" but something that really looks at the > music. A few weeks ago they aired a tribute to Woody Guthrie here. > It was probably a US-made feature, not sure though, and it had all > kinds of artists cover his songs (Tom Waits, Eliza Carthy's mother > who's name I don't remember, Ani ...) and talk about what Woody and > his music meant to them. Something along those lines I think would > be a wonderful way to recognize all those artists we love and the > music we enjoy. Of course it would be a tough choice who to feature > and who not, but lucky enough I don't have to make that choice :) > > cheers, > > Katrin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > i do it for the joy it brings > because i'm a joyful girl > because the world owes me nothing > and we owe each other the world > > ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:40:58 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] fast folk query <> Any chance I can convince you to dub these onto one CD for me with your new toy? Have you tried to record from vinyl yet? Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:35:03 -0500 From: Howie Subject: RE: [RS] It's E-Neff At 09:53 AM 2/25/2001 +0100, Katrin wrote: >A few weeks ago they aired a tribute to Woody Guthrie here. >It was probably a US-made feature, not sure though, and it had all >kinds of artists cover his songs (Tom Waits, Eliza Carthy's mother >who's name I don't remember, Ani ...) Eliza Carthy's mother is Norma Waterson and her dad is Martin Carthy. It is no wonder that she is as talented as she indeed is. They and other assorted family members play together as Waterson:Carthy. I had the real pleasure of seeing them perform a couple weeks ago in California. - -Howie ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #63 **********************************