From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #62 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 03 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] It's E-Neff ["Shelley DePaul" ] [RS] And another thing... [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] specialty programming ["sharon g" ] [RS] the grammies ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] And another thing... [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: More Grammy thoughts [Tom926@aol.com] Re: Re: [RS] dolly does nickel creek and FUV by way of patterson [Elwestr] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:19:37 -0500 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: [RS] It's E-Neff > That tribute to Joni Mitchell that was > on TV a few > months ago was terrific--Richard Thompson doing a Joni cover was > tremendous I saw (and taped) this also. Richard's version of "Black Crow" was phenomenal! So was Diana Krall's "Case of You". She's an excellent jazz vocalist and pianist. I thought Lauper's version of Carrie was a bit long and drawn out for that particular song but at least it was imaginative. I'm sorry I missed the Woody Gutherie tribute. Anyone tape it? I'd be willing to swap a copy of Joni for a copy of Woody. Shelley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:41:52 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] And another thing... In a message dated 2/25/2001 3:59:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, RonG writes: > >>Showcasing the artists is best done not in an "award" environment, but one > in which the artists get to do what they do best. Sing. Play. Shows like > "Sessions at W. 57th" and "Austin City Limits."<< Not enough in my book. Not everyone around the country gets to see either of those shows anyway. Awards shows can work, they just take some proper time, intelligence and creative writing and arranging -- all the virtues shared by so many of the artists we on this List love so much. So what if Dar and Lucy are both up for Best Female Songwriter -- both are deserving, but perhaps one worked harder in a given year and winds out over the other. I doubt either would begrudge the other their award. And no one could convince me that the Grammys don't drum up alot of business for those artists featured -- those shrieks you hear from the rafters and outside the building represent the befuddled masses who have been suckered into whatever the music industry and Top Forty radio conspire to give them. I'm just so sick of it all. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:22:24 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] specialty programming as to the special variety programming.. the Tributes to Joni Mitchell that infact had such great performances as cindy lauper's carey and diana krall's a case of you and james taylor with shawn and mary chapin paving paradise and puttin up a parking lot.. and the tribute to Johnny Cash with emmy lou and dave mathews doing a long black veil.. can all be found on TNN..that series and A&E live by request .. which on march 15 will have you call in and request songs to Loretta Lynn are two of the most exciting TV programs outside of Austin City Limits and the now defunct Sessions at West.. MTV unplugged a brainstorm of JUles shear can be interesting or Storyteller given the artist.. Both have not had a season either call TNN, watch TNN call your cable co and remind them you watch when mine.. the nasty cablevision dumped CMT..i called and they said sorry Country Music TV did not make money in NY... i still wrote.. support.. the artists and stations that play what you want to hear and see..spend your money there.. sharon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:52:56 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] the grammies why i pay attention to the grammy awards is. 1. so i can talk to my neices and know which boys group has the guy named justin 2. so i can talk to the teens i work with and know the rap songs and the rap artists 3. to see such performances.. as unique as annie lennox and seal doing marvin gaye, barbra streisand and neil diamond, aretha franklin sitting in for pavarotti, the history of the grammys includes performances that would never be any where else.. like festivals.. we go for the opportunity to see artists together who dont play together as for the old timers issue... we need to frame dylan, joni mitchell, santana in the era in which they would have been nominated for record of the year.. Blue was released in 1971, blood on the tracks was 1974 the 1960's works of these artists was considered outrageous and FOLK they were gaining name recognition while artists like tammy wynette, george jones, loretta lynn, aretha franklin, the motown family, tempations, spinners, etc. smokey robinson stevie wonder etc were on popular radio. glen campbell, dionne warwick the 5th dimension, linda rondstadt, jackson browne the eagles- all vied for the same award.. i am sure they didnt not relegate RESPECT.. to the best r&B song.. so now the time comes for these artists to honored by their peers space has been made and DARN good records are being honored.. i love that the grammys did not miss the opportunity to recognize emmy lou for RED DIRT girl.. a cd she where she wrote all the material herself.. it may not happen again... sharon in _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:05:45 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] And another thing... << And no one could convince me that the Grammys don't drum up alot of business for those artists featured -- those shrieks you hear from the rafters and outside the building represent the befuddled masses who have been suckered into whatever the music industry and Top Forty radio conspire to give them. I'm just so sick of it all. >> Point taken, but I guess I'm not sure what there is to be sick of. No one holds a gun to anyone's head, making them spend their money on music they don't want. No one is *forced* to watch MTV or listen to Top 40 radio or accept the Grammy Awards as any sort of barometer of "what's good." I've long since stopped relying on the mass media to give me what I want. If I want to hear music I like, I plop in a CD. It's as simple as that. We can't paint all people with the same brush, and there are as many people who don't "get" Dar or Richard or Lucy -- even within folk circles -- as adore them. So if *we* can't all even agree, who are we to force our opinion of what constitutes "good music" on the masses? Trust me . . . I'd sooner go see a Ricky Martin concert then ever sit through a Susan Werner show again. But that's just me. Besides, what happens when one of "our" artists gets popular enough to win a Grammy? They get vilified as having sold out. Two words: Shawn Colvin. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:44:58 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: More Grammy thoughts My what a can of worms I opened, re: the Granny's. Something Vanessa said struck a chord: On the other hand, maybe it's best that the music we love is, for the most part, accessible primarily to those who are willing to look for it, and not stuffed down everyone's throats. I think there'd be something vaguely profane about teeny-boppers running around singing "The Ballad of Mary Magdalen(e)" without understanding the lyrics and their meaning, just because it's the last video they saw on VH1. When I was in college back in the early 80s, I remember listening to REM and The Smiths and 10,000 Maniacs. And I cannot tell you how many times I heard "Boy Tom, you listen to the weirdest shit." Now if I had been playing Throwing Muses or Laurie Anderson, I might be able to at least see what these people were talking about, but c'mon...REM? 10,000 Maniacs? You know, I find it interesting that folk music and poetry in this country both start out as something little kids love. Something about the rhythm of language and the rhyming chiming playfulness of it. And it would be interesting to find out why. I don't want to pat myself on the back and congratulate myself for my superior taste. That reminds me of the people I knew who would completely dismiss a musician they loved just because they had some popular success. But I have a little gorgeous nephew and I would like to see that he doesn't lose that original wonder of the playfulness of language and song. Plus if I have to babysit and all he wants to listen to is Top 40 claptrap, I will start thinking about crushing up valium in his food. LOL. Just kidding folks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:49:39 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] dolly does nickel creek and FUV by way of patterson Well Vanessa I can't claim to still be a big Nick Cave fan, but I have to say that "Mercy Seat" was definetly an anthem of my depressed late '80's. I used to listen to it over and over, especially on the way to my job. It really is an incredible and amazingly angry song. The louder the better! It really captures the feeling when you are so tired and frustrated that you don't give a rat's ass what happens to you. Reminds me of -RICHARD CONTENT- Waiting for the Storm. Hard to believe I ever felt such a kinship with it. Thank God for therapy! Hard to imagine a cover of it, I will have to check that out. Though I take your word for the lameness of the cover. Can't see anyone else doing it justice! E P.S. - Now I have to dig for my Nick Cave tape! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Vanessa Wills (vcwills@princeton.edu) wrote: > Oh, Lordy. Solitary Man III. We have this at 'PRB--it's cool, except for > the cover of Nick Cave's "Mercy Seat." Downright disappointing. :-( Of > course, that's from one of the biggest Nick Cave fans you'll ever see > stateside. > > Peace, > V > > sharon g wrote: > > > the two bluegrass cds that dolly last put out are amazing > > - as is RED dirt girl and solitary man III > > -- > "Some recall experience/ So others can run the same road > But you just write down possibilities/ So you can spend more time at > home." > --30 Odd Foot of Grunts, "You Treat Me Like Chocolate" ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #62 **********************************