From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #370 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, December 10 2000 Volume 02 : Number 370 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Under Cover of Darkness, Darkness [RockinRonD@aol.com] Re: [RS] singer-songwriters and McPaper ["Susan Koval" ] [RS] love hurts or what the hell is he talking about ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] That "awful" review! [Vanessa Wills ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:40:07 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Under Cover of Darkness, Darkness Just to clarify, I have no quarrel with Richard's choice of cover songs, just that I don't feel he covers them all that well, though there are certainly exceptions. Personally, I don't think "Love Hurts" is all that great a song to begin with so the fact that I'm not crazy about his version isn't surprising. I would agree that "My Love Will Follow You" is one of the highlights of SNP but I attribute that directly to the wonderful harmonies provided by Lucy and Dar. "Memphis" doesn't really count since it really is a Cry Cry Cry cover. Besides no one, and I MEAN NO ONE can do a Cliffie song as well as Cliffie. Period. And just as an addendum, I wasn't referring to just the covers Richard has actually recorded. In fact, I tend to think the ones he has put to record are stronger than those he hasn't. I would tend to agree that Richard himself probably doesn't think the cover songs he does are inferior to his own. He's self effacing enough to not demonstrate that much ego or self-importance. And of course I understand that artists like to do covers to mix up their sets a bit, add a little variety. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes artists can cover certain songs for too long in their performances, to wit: the Pi song and "That's Matematics" that Lucika is STILL including after all these years. I mean, I know they're her Dad's tunes but Geez.... NonRetractinRon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:40:06 -0500 From: "Susan Koval" Subject: Re: [RS] singer-songwriters and McPaper Norman wrote: "I was a bit disappointed with the USA Today article (that's what I get for reading McPaper, I guess). It's not so much that the singer-songwriter has disappeared but that the mainstream media (as relected by MCPaper) has lost sight of the singer-songwriter." and "Again, it's Mcpaper's view of the world." What I found interesting about the article is exactly that - that it represented the "commercial," "popular," viewpoint. To me this viewpoint is very ironic because (as we well know) there are a lot of great singer songwriters out there and so much of the world is completely oblivious to them. Sue K ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:28:29 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] blowing covers ...i was at the nields last night at the Emerlin theater in westchester county NY and saw signs all over the theater that announced Richard Shindell would be there march 16 &17th to tape a live cd... the sound there is great.. sharon who personally wishes ellis stops doing the millenium poem he started doing it last fall in heigtstown and has done it every single show i have seen him at.. about 10 this year.. and will do it through the holiday..season..i am sure _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:46:41 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] love hurts or what the hell is he talking about the only time i have heard richard DO LOVE HURTS is with ms kaplansky doing the corresponding vocals.. and i have heard her " cheat on richard with JOHN GORKA.... when the audience screams for songs.. it is not in the artists interest NOT to accommodate christians and pagans... the song about PI or ARE YOU HAPPY NOW.. business is keepin your audience happy more and more fans WANT TO HEAR .. PI... its a number all the way to infinity... sharon "the fun when two parellels meet or a group with a action discrete or a thrill when some decimals repeat thats mathematics... it gets weirder... ...thats mathematics... what the hell is he talking about..." lucy kaplansky _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:57:31 From: "jeff greggor" Subject: [RS] That "awful" review! >> Yeah, I recall a short discussion here when the review first came out. I not only find it strange that Hugh -- who I consider to be a good guy -- would get those facts wrong, but would also be so generally uncomplimentary about Richard's CD, especially because I thought the two were friends. Look, I can understand not liking everything that someone puts out -- -- but it sure seems to be a difficult position he put himself in with that public criticism of a fellow folkie. RG << - -------------------- Ron, I don't totally disagree but I'd like to reply. Yes, Hugh is in an awkward position reviewing these cd's - but that is his job. Is he supposed to just gush over every cd he listens to or is he supposed to give his honest opinion? Also, I don't think his review was THAT uncomplimentary. Some of us Richard fans might be just a little too sensitive towards any criticism whatsoever. Hugh has repeatedly said that Richard IS the standard today and "if you don't know Richard, you don't know folk music". I couldn't agree more with either comment. When SNP first came out, the overwhelming sentiment on this list was that it was the best thing Richard ever did. And now just recently very few selected it as their favorite Shindell cd. I view the problem with reviews (by Hugh Blumenfeld or anybody else) is that it is an immediate reaction and doesn't give the reviewer time for the songs to really sink in. Alot of us liked Sparrow's Point when we first heard it but it wasn't until we listened over and over again that we realized just what a masterpiece it was. Music, especially Richard's, needs time to be fully appreciated. And by the way, Hugh RAVED about Tanglewood Tree long before this place became the Dave & Tracy show! JG _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:39:49 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] That "awful" review! jeff greggor wrote: > Is he supposed to just gush over every cd he listens to or > is he supposed to give his honest opinion? At the risk of dragging this out. . . Well, at the very least, he's supposed to not be wrong about the most basic facts of the CD, like who wrote what. I think many listers felt that his cavalier attitude towards getting the facts straight underscored a rather casual review of the CD. It felt to me as though he'd heard the album once in the background at a friend's party, or something, and that led me to have little patience for his unfavorable review. Peace, V ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #370 ***********************************