From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #337 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Joan [Tricia9999@aol.com] [RS] A little more [Tricia9999@aol.com] Re: [RS] vote for SNP [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Joan [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] I showed my youth today? ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] Kasey Chambers [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] I showed my youth today? [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] vote for SNP [Lisa Davis & family ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:34:06 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: [RS] Joan In a message dated 11/20/2000 4:55:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > I think her > primary contribution has been her efforts in promoting excellent > songwriters (Dylan, Dar, Richard, etc.) & I really admire her for that. Some of you are showing your youth. Joan has been around for a very long time, has been a pioneer of sorts. She has also penned some of her own songs. Let's not imagine some fans of a new youngish talent in 20 years speaking of Richard in such a way as to have wiped out his true contributions with no real look into his history. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:37:37 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: [RS] A little more In a message dated 11/20/2000 4:55:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > That said, I'd still rather hear the original Dar or original Richard than > Joan's covers, except for "You're Aging Well" (but that's a duet). That is almost always my preference. When I hear people rave about Lucy K's version of Broken Things, I can only assume they haven't heard the writer's original which so outdoes the Lucy version. (Julie Miller). I know there are dissenters out there, but the author generally does the better job. (Well, Richie Havens might be an exception...) Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:02:23 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] vote for SNP << After careful deliberation, I'm tossing my vote in with SNP. I long sort of assumed Sparrow's was my favorite. But when I sat with them side by side, I decided his newest work is his most balanced, and in some ways his most innovative. >> It's funny . . . this thread has made me go back and take a look at exactly *why* I picked "Sparrows Point" as my favorite Richard CD. And ironically, I realized that it actually has the most songs that I skip. I usually skip right over "Are You Happy Now" because if I hear it one more time I might scream, then skip over "Castaway" because, as Lee said, it's "nice-but-comparatively-weak" and besides, "The Courier" is my favorite RS song ever. But boy, the four song set from "Courier" to the title track to "Kenworth" (which I've always liked, mostly 'cause it's an honest-to-goodness happy RS song) to "Fleur-de-Lis" is a non-stop high. Good thing, too, because I skip over the next four songs ("Memory of You," "Nora" and "Howling at the Trouble" because they're three of my least favorite RS songs, and "You Again" because it just hits too close to home and I can no longer listen to it) to bask in the chill and the horror of "By Now." So, I mostly love this album for just five songs. "Blue Divide" has two regular skip-overs: "Lazy" and "Tune for Nowhere." I feel about "Summer Wind/Cotton Dress," "Fishing" and "Mary Magdelene" as I feel about "Are You Happy Now" . . . I love them, but I've heard them enough for a long while. As opposed to most folks, I *really* like "TV Light." So sue me, I'm a sucker for pedal steel guitar. And the three songs that end the CD are wonderful, with the title track providing Richard's greatest vocal performance ever. The skippers on "Reunion Hill" are "Smiling" and "Easy Street" and often, actually, the title track, primarily because I feel it's horribly over-produced with its Royal Canadian Marching Bagpipe Orchestra backing. I also fast forward through "I'll Be Here in the Morning" to get to the 5:00 mark when "Sing Me Back Home" starts. "Paterson" is a weird one for me, and I'm all over the place with it. I usually put it on and skip right to "Calling the Moon," which I'll play a few times, then jump back to "Wisteria" and "Waiting for the Storm," then jump around, always skipping "Spring" and "Grocer's Broom" and "Merritt Parkway" and sometimes "Transit." After all that, however, those five songs on "Sparrows Point" still move me to the point where it's still my favorite of the bunch. But again, I'll take my least favorite Richard Shindell CD over just about anything else out there. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:04:07 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Joan << Some of you are showing your youth. Joan has been around for a very long time, has been a pioneer of sorts. She has also penned some of her own songs. Let's not imagine some fans of a new youngish talent in 20 years speaking of Richard in such a way as to have wiped out his true contributions with no real look into his history. >> Hrrmpphh . . . next you'll be telling us that Paul McCartney was in a group before Wings. ;-))) RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:57:26 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] I showed my youth today? I wrote about JB: >> I think her primary contribution has been her efforts in promoting excellent songwriters (Dylan, Dar, Richard, etc.) & I really admire her for that. >> Tricia wrote: >>Some of you are showing your youth. Joan has been around for a very long time, has been a pioneer of sorts. >> Yes, I know Joan has been around a long time...she's been playing for longer than even RonG. ;-) That's why I included Dylan on my list. She called attention to Dylan circa 1961. >>She has also penned some of her own songs. >> Yes, she's penned a few songs but even in the early days, she mostly covered others' songs. Yes, she was a pioneer in many respects but not as a songwriter. >> Let's not imagine some fans of a new youngish talent in 20 years speaking of Richard in such a way as to have wiped out his true contributions with no real look into his history. >> Let's say this were 1981, when Joan and Dylan were both roughly the age that Richard is now (40). I'm sure there were plenty of people at that who said Joan's "primary contribution has been her efforts in promoting excellent songwriters (such as Dylan) & I really admire her for that". In fact, I think I had read or heard such statements back in 1981 or thereabouts. I stand by my earlier statement. Norman, who for the record is 34 -- and a half. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:56:03 -0500 From: Howie Subject: [RS] RE: Favorite Shindell CD At 08:15 PM 11/20/2000 +0100, Katrin wrote: >Nono, it's all or nothing dear friend! :) First dates of her next tour >(starting >late January) have been announced. Next year will be the "convert Ron into a >Joan-fan"-year, I'll make it my personal mission :) > >Katrin, grinning :) If you succeed with Ron then you MIGHT be ready to take me on! - -Howie, defiant :-| - -- Howie Lyhte howie33@mediaone.net _________________________________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. Dilbert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:53:39 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] Kasey Chambers Since she was a brief topic of discussion not too long ago, I just wanted remind y'all that Kasey Chambers will be on tonight's (Monday, November 20) Late Show with David Letterman on CBS. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:51:06 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] I showed my youth today? At risk of turning the DaveandTracy-list into the Joanie-List . . . Norman wrote: <> I have always had an on-again/off-again appreciation for Joan Baez. I was most fond of her records at about the time of "Diamonds and Rust" -- having seen her in concert for the first time during the tour in support of her live "From Every Stage" album; but there have been times that I've thought her vocal treatments of songs too inappropriate. I have the utmost respect for what she has done to help the careers of other artists; but I agree with Gene's assessment of "Gone From Danger" and would add that Joan *butchered* Dar's and Richard's material, good intentions notwithstanding. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:29:13 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] vote for SNP Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: Contrarian, I simply HAVE to say, >I skip over the next four songs ("Memory of You," "Nora" and "Howling at the Trouble" because they're three of my least favorite RS songs, AMAZING. Nora is perbaps teh most Richard song I can think of. In fact the WRITING on Nora and Howling at the Trouble are absolutely flawless. Those and You Again. Among others. I used to just sit there agape at the way there wasn't one wasted syllable. > The skippers on "Reunion Hill" are "Smiling" and "Easy Street" Easy Street makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #337 ***********************************