From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #319 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, November 8 2000 Volume 02 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul [Katrin.Uhl@t] Re: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul [Vanessa Will] Re: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul [Katrin.Uhl@t] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:22:07 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul This is a completely fascinating thread and it will probably cause me to be late for work. I'll blame it on you guys, okay? I've thought about that question a lot. And it ties in with the "what role does music play in my life and do I rely on it too much for my general well-being?"-question that I've spent even more time thinking about. > > To me -- and I know I'm opening up a can of Pandora's worms here, > because it > will be perceived as an indictment of many people 'round these > parts -- the > line starts to get crossed when you start trying to insinuate > yourself into > the artist's personal life. When you shower him/her with gifts at > every show. > When you expect the artist to greet you by name, and are > disappointed when > they don't. ... I have come to believe that this is an issue I can't solve in general. Now I'm not talking obsessed stalking of the dangerous kind, but then neither were you guys I think. It depends on the artist. Different people have different boundaries (if one subscribes to the concept of boundaries). And it depends on your appraoch, too. Ending up having a few beers with an artist after a show can be both - invading their space or not. I guess my definition of stalking would be expecting and "asking" for something from the artist that he/she is not willing to give. Attention, time, information, bits of personal life... Sometimes I feel odd that I fly to other countries for concerts. And I have gotten more than one "you've come all that way to see me?"-question from artists, with that "what's up with that woman"-look. And then it's up to you to convei that that's what you do for fun, not for weird stalking reasons. Ah... Im rambling. But I think I have a point somewhere in the above :-) And I think the point was: boundaries are different. I wanted to write more about Lucy and Richard in particular, but I've got to catch my bus... back later, Katrin PS: check out Peter Mulvey's web site for extremely cool new shirts, get one while they last! ____________________________________________ we come to pass not to stay all that matters anyway is what will follow you Peter Mulvey (all the way home) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 02:37:33 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul Katrin Uhl wrote: > And I have gotten more than one "you've come all that way to see > me?"-question from artists, with > that "what's up with that woman"-look. Funny you should bring that up, because *that* is one thing that really ticks me off. And don't look at me funny because I have all of your CDs, either. Ayy, it's late. ;-) Peace, V ------------------------------ Date: 08 Nov 2000 09:47 GMT From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de Subject: Re: [RS] Spring on my mind -- and a review of 11/3 St. Paul alright, here I go again. Now wide awake from more coffee and the rather shocking newes of a new conservative US president (Katrin, write 100 times: I will refrain from political comments, I will refrain from political comments... :-) ) > > When you expect the artist to greet you by name, and are disappointed when > > they don't. okay, I admit: I was completely thrilled when a friend told me that not only did Richard remember me when somehow in a post-concert-conversation my friend mentioned "a friend in Germany", but also knew my first and last name. And I've only talked to the man three times in my life. Does that make me a stalker? (rhethorical question :-) ) > > But I find something you said to be both interesting and frightening, unless > > I'm misreading what you're saying . . . and that's your point that it's > > LUCY'S fault that fans become fanatics become stalkers, simply by exuding a > > "you can be my friend" vibe here's my take: I think Lucy is just a genuinly nice and welcoming person (I'm not implying that Richard isn't genuinly nice of course). When I had the chance to chat with her she made me feel appreciated and welcome and at ease in an instant. She's just such a non-star (that's a compliment). So while I don't think at all that "it's her fault" that fans might become fanatic, I do believe that being such a genuinly nice and open person might make her live harder at times in terms of fan-interaction. Because it can be misread as "hey, I want to be your friend" when it's just "I appreciate your interst in my work and I'm just treating you as a regular person because really, I'm just a regular person myself." Know what I mean? > > Perhaps she'd be wiser to adopt Richard's more distant, more aloof, less > > "chummy" approach. I've heard so many people say that Richard is more distant and less approachable and so on. But I've only met the man in situations where he was nice and funny and interested in what the other had to say and not distant at all. But it feels at times like Richard is the personification of understatment. In a "I'm really only writing songs and I don't get what all the fuss is about"-way. I'm not sure if either one, Lucy or Richard, has made a conscious choice as to in what way they should treat their fans. But I might be wrong. enough for now, interesting topic though! It would be interesting to hear Lucy's, Richard's ... or any other artist's take on the issue. Katrin ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #319 ***********************************