From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #250 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, September 11 2000 Volume 02 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] RE: Richard's guitarwork [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Mea Culpa [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Moving On... [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] picking [Lee Wessman ] RE: [RS] picking ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] [RS] BTG [Pfleary@aol.com] RE: [RS] Richard's guitarwork ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] [RS] Warm Thoughts.... ["Batgirl of the Night" ] RE: [RS] BTG ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] Richard's guitarwork [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] picking ["Brian Williamson" ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #249 [Tom926@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:52:02 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] RE: Richard's guitarwork >> In July Richard played this with a pick twice or thrice that I remember, but on the night he also did Reunion Hill (slow version) he played it with his fingers only. << As far as I know, Richard is pretty much a picking purist. Fingers only, or pick only, but never both in the same song. He flatpicks a lot, even on fingerpick "sounding" songs like "Wisteria." He uses bare fingers a lot, even on flatpick "sounding" songs like "Arrowhead" or "Kenworth." Of course, sometimes he plays the way the rest of us mere mortals do: bare fingers on "Reunion Hill" (the new, slow version, anyway) and flatpick on country-rockers like "Waiting for the Storm" or "Shades of Gray." Lucy does the pick-and-fingers thing, though, and she does it damn well on stuff like "Scorpion." RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:04:38 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Mea Culpa In a message dated 9/11/2000 11:20:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ed Dupas writes: << I'm vexed...the tab I did was in DADGAD and listed no CAPO placement specifically (although I play 4th and Richard in the 5th (I think)). Rockin' Ron, are you sure there isn't a third interpretation of the music floating out there somewhere, 'cause I checked RG's page and he learned it in DADGAD as well? >> Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. The version of "Wisteria" I referred to was not from Ed Dupas' site but from Greg Steele and his wonderful chord site: http://www.gregorysteele.com/music/misc_artists_indx.htm I believe Steele's version is in Standard tuning, key of Am, with capo on 7. I still think it sounds good flat picked, but I'm probably not the deft finger picker you guys all are. Sorry for the faux pas. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:08:52 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Moving On... In a message dated 9/11/2000 11:20:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Sally writes: << When something offensive or "unfortunate" gets posted, the best way to react, in my opinion, is pretty much how we all DID react: we ignored it. >> Um, I think whoever posted the tasteless if not offensive mock lyrics in question has already gotten the idea that this kind of humor doesn't play well on the Shindell List. No need to go establishing a Big Brother state here. I doubt it will happen again. Let us not dwell. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:59:39 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] picking I've heard this style called "Nashville picking." (Holding a flat pick between the thumb and fore-finger, while using the middle and ring fingers to fingerpick.) It's a great technique but awfully hard to master. I'm pretty sure that's what I saw Richard doing on Wisteria. Somebody other than RonG get the scoop on Richard's right hand at a show back East, OK? (Ron'll be too starry-eyed after Dave and Tracy.) By the by, Lisa told of seeing Richard change a string and chatting onstage with aplomb. I once saw Scotsman Dougie MacLean break a string during a set. He proceeded to repair the broken string by tying a knot in it, without taking his guitar off his shoulder, the whole time keeping up a hilarious running dialogue about how all Scottish guitarists learn to tie knots in their broken strings because, after all, they're Scots. I thought that was pretty dandy stagecraft. Any Dougie fans out there? - -lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:19:40 -0400 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] picking <> Oh yes. Great guitarist, singer, and songwriter. I just wish that there was more info available on his tunings so that I could tab some of his stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:20:49 EDT From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] BTG Sorry to keep this alive, but people seem much too upset about it. It was tasteless, but it was also funny. I am glad it wasn't censored and had not been aware that there was ever a "red-flagging" of folks on the Dar-list, how utterly frightening. I also think the parody had quite a bit of resonance in spite of its tastelessness. I've heard a number of stories from adult women friends talking about having had sex for all the wrong reasons when they were younger and this seems to be one of the main ones, having sex just to shut some annoying guy up. Granted a more tasteful song written by a female singer-songwriter that speaks to the consequences of such an act and how she learned to empower herself to say no would be a better telling of this tale, but the author of BTG spun a story that is played out again and again in our society on a daily basis. Please don't censor or restrict the list Ron and Sally. I believe that a little tastelessness is a small price to pay for free speech. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:23:28 -0400 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] Richard's guitarwork <> Like I was saying, the 7th fret version belongs to someone else (Greg Steele???). My version should be played in DADGAD in the 5th fret (although that is high for me). I would give the DADGAD version another try with just the fingers, it is all there in my page so just follow the notes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:29:53 EDT From: "Batgirl of the Night" Subject: [RS] Warm Thoughts.... Hey everyone! Forgive me if this is a little corny, but when I read these, all of my new friends on the lists came to mind. Some of these quotes remind me something we would find on a Dar, Richard or Lucy CD. I just wanted to share them with all of you! Now it's official, you all know the truth, I am big 'mush'! Pass these on to anyone you feel could use a few kind words right now. Renee Polgar Things To Remember ~No man/woman is worth your tears and the only one who is,will never make you cry. ~If you love someone, put their name in a circle, instead of a heart, because hearts can break, but circles go on forever. ~Everyone hears what you say. Friends listen to what you say. Best friends listen to what you don't say. ~If all my friends were to jump off a bridge, I wouldn't jump with them,I'd be at the bottom to catch them. ~"Don't frown, because you never know who's falling in love with your smile!" ~"If you judge people, you have no time to love them" ~Mother Teresa _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:44:26 -0700 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] BTG Peter said: >> Granted a more tasteful song written by a female singer-songwriter that speaks to the consequences of such an act...<< Can you say "I Know What Kind Of Love This Is?" BTW, Peter, what's the date for Lucy up your way again? j a c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:43:33 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] Richard's guitarwork >> Like I was saying, the 7th fret version belongs to someone else (Greg Steele???). My version should be played in DADGAD in the 5th fret(although that is high for me). I would give the DADGAD version another try with just the fingers, it is all there in my page so just follow the notes. << Also, with all due respect to Greg Steele, who has done a bunch of cool transcriptions, many of the chords in his transcriptions are simply wrong. If you start "Wisteria" with an Am, there's no way that the second chord can possibly be an A7sus/G. In "My Love Will Follow You," even if you play it in standard tuning (as opposed to DADGAD), the second chord is a G, not a D9. And in "You Stay Here," the second chord is definitely an Fmaj7, not a C. (Hmmm . . . seems to be a jinx on second chords.) Picky, I know, but if you're gonna play it the way The Man Himself does, might as well get the chords right. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:04:42 -0400 From: "Brian Williamson" Subject: Re: [RS] picking Here's a second to the Dougie fan call. I, too am puzzled why his name does not come up more often here. He does have his own web site and there is some guitar stuff there. I've only seen one or two of Dougie's song tabs on the web. Seen him twice in concert and he is really, really a great player and songwriter. brian. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dupas, Edward (E.M.) To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: RE: [RS] picking > <> > > Oh yes. Great guitarist, singer, and songwriter. I just wish that there > was more info available on his tunings so that I could tab some of his > stuff. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:28:12 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #249 In response to Sally's post, Oh please! Lighten up! Parody with a "salacious edge" is not only perfectly valid, but in this case rather funny. My friend Lora and I used to sit in the college dining hall and do the same thing with the popular songs of the mid 80s. As I recall, we used to get requests for specific songs (oh the things we did with "Like a Virgin" and other Madonna numbers!). And then to go on about how the list would become inundated with urban legends of a dubious sort is a slippery slope of wesson oil. I would bet even Richard would find humor in "Balling the Goon." In fact, considering the seriousness of most of his song topics, including "Balling the Goon" in concert would be a showstopping number. It is my hope that this list does not become so sanctimonious or politically correct that we lose our ability to laugh--especially at ourselves. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #250 ***********************************