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shindell-list-digest    Thursday, September 7 2000    Volume 02 : Number 243



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [RS] Speaking of that...        ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>]
  Re: [RS] Speaking of that...           [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  Re: [RS] Speaking of that...                            [SMOKEY596@aol.com]
  Re: [RS] Speaking of that...           [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  Re: [RS] SOTW - WFTS                                        [TRNMT@aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:02:23 -0400
From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>
Subject: [RS] Speaking of that...

<<I really noticed this at the recent Iron Horse 
performance where he worked in the story about his "plane flight from hell,"
between songs. Especially the ones where he screwed up the lyrics.>>

Does it seem to anyone else like Richard Shindell forgets lyrics more often
than the typical artist?  I can only remember one show with Richard where he
didn't trip over the lyrics to one song or another.  Sometimes he bypasses
tripping and falls into lyrical holes, most notably the Cry^3 farewell where
he completely stalled during "Cold Miss. Waters" while trying to remember
the next verse, and then proceeded to skip it entirely.  I can still see Pat
Power sitting next to me mouthing "Gauge the fire!" to Richard.  I felt bad
for Richard. If it had been me I would have been compelled to light an
escape fire and start praying.    

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:36:45 -0700
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of that...

Ed recounted:

<<I can still see Pat Power sitting next to me mouthing "Gauge the fire!"
to Richard.>>

Geez, I don't seem to recall doing that, but if I did, I surely mouthed
"Gauge_d_  the fire."

Pat

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:42:16 EDT
From: SMOKEY596@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of that...

<< Does it seem to anyone else like Richard Shindell forgets lyrics more often
 than the typical artist? >>

I think John Gorka holds the record for forgetting lyrics, but he's so GOOD 
at it! :-)

SMOKEY
Embrace what you have in common,
celebrate what sets you apart
It takes more than the color
that you find on a palate
to turn humanity into an art...
    -Ellis Paul

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:06:50 -0700
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of that...

But seriously . . .

Ed mused:

<<Sometimes he bypasses tripping and falls into lyrical holes, most
notably the Cry^3 farewell where he completely stalled during "Cold Miss.
Waters" while trying to remember the next verse, and then proceeded to
skip it entirely.>>

Yes, this was as big a stumble as I've ever seen Richard make and to be
quite honest, because I *so* love that song, I was really disappointed --
"Of all the songs to screw up!!" I thought.

Just as Dar had trouble making the transition from CryCryCry back to her
solo career, forgetting words or goofing up lyrics to such staples in her
set such as "February" (due to the concentration on the songs of others),
I think Richard has a similar problem. I wouldn't be surprised that he'd
prefer to do a whole night of covers at one of his concerts instead of
his own songs, and I'd bet that when he's not in the process of writing a
song that he's in the middle of learning someone else's.

Pat

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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:21:05 EDT
From: TRNMT@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW - WFTS

In a message dated 9/6/00 11:41:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ThBass@excite.com writes:

<<  In these sections Job does about everything
 but passively accept his fate: he cries out for death and a wish never to be
 born, he rants his bewilderment at his fate, he challenges God to explain
 why this has happened.  After God speaks on reply (notice that God never
 answers Job's questions), Job is silent until the concluding section, when
 an utterly different Job appears -- the "happy" Job who is vindicated, but
 who is useless as a model because we all know that suffering is not always
 or even often vindicated in this life.   >>

Ugh...back from vacation, and we have to be introducing the book of Job to 
things!!!!  Isn't life difficult enough???  Anyway, as far as Job goes,(and 
I'm probably going to be sent straight to a committee of Session - that's the 
Presbyterian equivalent of Hell-for thinking this) I have been really tired 
of being told to accept things as Job did, and that amounts to God saying, 
"Well, I'm God, and I did it, you shouldn't question it, so that's that".  
God comes off as a big bully.   And somehow, i got an A in Old Testament 
Studies.   

WFTS is an interesting one for certain.  Which one of us on the list said 
something about an alien abduction way back when (in the days prior to the 
release of SNP)?  I love the bluegrassy feel of it (reminds me of Crossing 
Devil's Bridge, by some bluegrass band I remember from college days, called 
Hickory Wind.  The tune was an instrumental, but it packed the power of a 
*situation* beyond human scope).  And I don't think Richard should pander to 
the "country" audience, because I don't think there's any real chance of 
getting that audience, as a whole, to listen to the intelligence of his 
writing.  No offence intended.  Richard isn't ear candy (okay, well, maybe to 
us, but not to the general public).

I think the protagonist is fed up with his way of existence, dealing with 
*every* stinking hurricane season .... why do I live here ... my family has 
left me ... let's not try to salvage anything this time ... this is it, take 
me or leave me... 

Nancy (who, during her vacation, came to musical compromise with her RS 
disliking daughter, working out "Are You Happy Now" and "We Learned the Sea" 
on guitar and clarinet...yeah, wierd combination, but if that's what it 
takes, so be it)

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