From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 02 : Number 236 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] hidden tracks ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] Weird Al ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [none] [Lee Wessman ] [RS] Transit/Olney ["Young/Hunter Mgt." ] [RS] almost mondegreens in transit & cuteness [Reinhard Liess ] Re: [RS] SNP ad [Jeff Gilson ] Re: [RS] Hidden Track [Elwestrand ] Re: [RS] SNP ad [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] In Richard's Voice. [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] In Richard's Voice. [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] RE: [RS] In Richard's Voice. ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:38:03 -0700 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: [RS] hidden tracks Sing Me Back Home by Merle Haggard and it's actually credited in the liner notes. I love hidden tracks. That one is kinda nice because it's enough later, like at the 5:00 mark, so that I didn't know it was there until I listened on the computer at work and just let it run. I think hidden tracks are for the benefit of lazy people like me =) j a c > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom926@aol.com [SMTP:Tom926@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:19 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #231 > > Sorry to interrupt the Dar/Richard imbroglio (reminds me of the Ann > Landers > brouhaha over which way to hang the toilet paper: paper under or over the > spindle?), but can someone tell what is the hidden track at the end of > Reunion Hill? And am I the only one who is annoyed by hidden tracks? Are > singers ashamed of the song that they don't want to acknowledge it in the > album credits? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:52:50 -0500 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: [RS] Weird Al >> Gene F. (who, if the Weird Al thing takes off, also wants 'The Next Les Nessman.') << "All I See is Forty Thieves" Not sure where this one would go... "I Lost My Tooth Today" Perhaps "Youth" is too personal to satirize? j a c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:05:54 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [none] Ron G wrote: "So many of Richard's songs are those "RS in other people's bodies" character pieces, that I sometimes lose sight of the fact that some of his most moving and "wistful" songs are the ones that are coming from Richard Himself. Like ... 'I Saw My Youth Today'." Well hey, maybe we ought to revisit that song. I never heard 'I Saw My Youth Today' as Richard singing in his own voice. I have always assumed the story teller in that song is a homeless guy, down on his luck, lost in his own dreams, who comes across a boy on the street -- maybe his ownn son -- and experiences a flicker of lucidity. And hearing the song that way, I assumed it was one of Richard's more brilliant works of fiction. Maybe I heard it all wrong. I need to give it another listen. But does anybody else hear it as a piece about a man who has lost everything? - --lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:20:46 -0400 From: "Young/Hunter Mgt." Subject: [RS] Transit/Olney Listers, Gene wrote: > I'm definitely paraphrasing here, but when asked about the inspiration for > 'Transit,' he said that he thought the song should be about six minutes long. > For someone to whom songwriting seems to be such a labor, Richard has created > many songs that are, in my mind, brilliant. This amazes me. I can't _fathom_ how Richard does what he does... This is true: they recorded "Transit"'s music BEFORE RICHARD WROTE THE SECOND HALF OF THE SONG! I can prove it - I have a rough tape from midway through the sessions, and all "Transit" is (at that time the working title was "The Nun") is six minutes of unmixed bass, drum and acoustic guitar playing the same figure over and over (the dum-DUM-dum/dum-de-dah-dum thing). Explain THAT. And let me second Pat Power's mention of David Olney -- this guy should be heard by any and all Richard fans.. in fact, Olney opened for Cry3 in Hanover, NH (and forgot the words during his verse of "Cry Cry Cry") at the Hopkins Center last year. My favorite song of his is "Robert Ford and Jesse James," in which James essentially humiliates Ford for four verses ("Remember when we robbed that Glendale train? We shot that engineer and left him lying in the rain. And you were shaking like a leaf, I thought you'd cut and run. But my hands were never steadier than when I held that gun...") to the point where, when James stops bullying him for a moment, Ford feels like he HAS to shoot James ("Hey, Bob, look at that picture. Does that look straight to you? It needs to come up on the right, just a touch or two." Now Bob he could not answer through his anger and his shame, so with steady hand he took his gun and shot down Jesse James/ And though it was too little, and although it was too late/ And it gave but little comfort, at least the picture's straight.) And please note the BRILLIANT trope on "at least the picture's straight." Brilliant, I say. Brilliant. (RS echoes my sentiments about Olney, btw, calling him "a prince.") - -- Charlie RS Manager, in awe of great songwriting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:00:50 +0200 From: Reinhard Liess Subject: [RS] almost mondegreens in transit & cuteness Hmm... Rebecca has a friend who prefers to sing "Vegan Republicans, Weekend Militiamen" and a friend of Vanessa's once heard "Lobsters and burgers..." I do like the contrast and it would be really interesting to find out what vegan republicans could do with lobsters and burgers:) When reading Dave "not Gorman" McKay's ramblings on "cuteness" these mysterious lines crossed my mind: "When I was at Falcon Ridge I had a crush on a folk singer I'd tell you her name If I thought it would help..." cheerio, ~Reinhard (amused) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:15:39 +0200 From: Reinhard Liess Subject: [RS] SNP ad Hi, in the "culture shop" section of the current issue of Utne Reader ( www.utne.com ) I found this praising of SNP: <> Does anyone know where they've got the << the self-described "misanthropic ex-seminarian lapsed Buddhist agnostic for Jesus">> from? ~Reinhard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:34:06 -0400 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] SNP ad Reinhard wrote: >Does anyone know where they've got the << the self-described "misanthropic >ex-seminarian lapsed Buddhist agnostic for Jesus">> from? From the horse's mouth, actually. I remember hearing him say it, though for the life of my, I can't remember when. 'later, jeff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:36:06 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] Hidden Track > Gene F. (who, if the Weird Al thing takes off, also wants 'The Next Les > Nessman.') > Please god do this! I will possibly send you my firstborn! Please enclude "turkeys falling like sacks of wet cement" and "Chi Chi Rodrigweez"! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:53:39 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] SNP ad << Does anyone know where they've got the << the self-described "misanthropic ex-seminarian lapsed Buddhist agnostic for Jesus">> from? >> Actually, the entire Utne Reader paragraph is lifted almost verbatim from the Press Release section of www.richardshindell.com. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:53:46 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] In Richard's Voice. << Well hey, maybe we ought to revisit that song. I never heard 'I Saw My Youth Today' as Richard singing in his own voice. I have always assumed the story teller in that song is a homeless guy, down on his luck, lost in his own dreams, who comes across a boy on the street -- maybe his ownn son -- and experiences a flicker of lucidity. >> Hmmm . . . guess I kinda sorta misspoke. I didn't/don't really think that "I Saw My Youth Today" is Richard First Person, necessarily, just that it wasn't one of what I consider to be his obvious "character" pieces. Truth be told, of all of Richard's songs except "On a Sea of Fleur-de-Lis," it's the one I've had the hardest time nailing down. Unless, of course, it's really about a finding a long-lost stringed instrument and the real title is "I Saw My Ute Today." RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:11:53 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] In Richard's Voice. Ron just said: > Unless, of course, it's really about a finding a long-lost stringed > instrument and the real title is "I Saw My Ute Today." > this ("Ute") is actually a name in this country. So it would make a good song title :-) Katrin, who is listening to the Oscar Peterson Trio's "with respect to Nat" right now again, after not having done that for a few weeks and it just hit me again what a cool album that is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:14:53 -0400 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] In Richard's Voice. <> Maybe it was inspired by a Joe Pesci movie? ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #236 ***********************************