From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #232 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 02 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Walking to RS [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] Misheard lyrics [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] dar richard and lucy [Sdgold60@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: Dar & Richard [jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord)] [RS] Short Stories ["David E. Briggs" ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #231 [Tom926@aol.com] [RS] RS list ["Sally Green" ] Re: [RS] Cuteness [SMOKEY596@aol.com] [RS] hiding in the covers ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] Re: Walking to RS > i cant dance to richard. walk to him, clean my house > to him > ride my bike to him, I must beg to differ with this view! I walk to Richard's music everyday, at the track and my treadmill. Believe it or not, "Fishing" has a great beat to walk to! Also, "Are You Happy?" I walk and sing and I don't care if anyone thinks I'm weird! : ) That's it! Janet __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] Misheard lyrics PS I have to say that the part in Mary Magdelin that I mishear is when he sings "the stars our canopy" to "the stars our can of peas"! 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:16:59 EDT From: Sdgold60@aol.com Subject: [RS] dar richard and lucy there is no spitting, cheesecake throwing from my seat all you will get is non objective observations.. dar williams is dar williams because of what she does who she is and what she portrays her career has been graced and blessed and she has used opportunity well and has achieved some level of success (measure it as you will ) and a dar williams song is just that -simple guitar -intelligent lyrics that make you think and feel and say hey- that is something... i am pleased that young men and young women and old men and women (from my 35 dar concerts this year alone) have been taken with her music. at clearwater THR was the big seller of hte weekend she was graced with the promotion of joan baez ( s dirty word here) and litith fair and took her career to a pinacle of folk..( no one would refuse the opportunities she was presented with) she is pushing the ceiling and has for people of size color gender..and lives her beliefs i know men and women who have crushes on her. want to be close to her and her personality- the fact she remembers you adn your story invites intimacy.. dar is dar.. and no one iwll be her richard also graced in his career. Gorka, joan joan joan and by the grace of crycrycry and SNP - a great record has reached a new Richard shindell level- but not the same outcome as dar. i saw 7 c3 shows and saw the difference in RS in the beginning of the tour where he preferred to put guitars away than to sign to the richard who took 9 months and many regular sightings to remember my name to the RS that is much more public i think that is just him but the people who see him want to talk to him and have him sign things and his abilties in this area have improved- richards committment to his family is admirable and wont sell records if he stays in argentina.. he is a great guitarist and heck of a song writer and many more men i think relate to him - though many women appreciate him i also know women who have a crush on him and one guy... then there is lucy - fear not ... she kicked butt- a mediocre guitar player with minimal original songs who has busted her butt over and over to comb the country and europe playing and playing and learning and she also learned to talk to sign things. teh folk scene of the village in the 70 s is not the scene lucy reentered.. and she is developing famously.. she has not been as graced though having sung with who she has sung with LUCY is no slouch many guys with crushes and one woman.... three different artists with different skills on different paths. i accept them differently- like their music either live or on cd can see them everyday or appreciate them when i can and that my friends is NO Cheesecake or baked goods... sharonG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:44:34 GMT From: jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord) Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Dar & Richard On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:41:19 -0700, "Clary, John (CLRY)" wrote: >Elwestrand said: >>> I am defending Dar's status as a very accomplished WOMAN. Who should not >be dismissed as someone only entertaining enough for a cheap date.<< > >Who said anything about dating her? Based on Yoko, Dar would not be a cheap date. john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:15:40 -0500 From: "David E. Briggs" Subject: [RS] Short Stories > I would mention Richard Thompson in that vein. He was one of the > first songwriters I noticed making a concerted effort to sing fiction > in the first person. And his approach has certainly been commercially > counterproductive. > When I think of great short story songs, I think of Jim Croce. He may not be as sophisticated as RS but he came from a different era. So many of his songs could have spawned "little movies" or sequels: Rapid Roy, Bad Bad Leroy Brown, Operator, Speedball Tucker - the list could go on. I wonder what Richard would say about the music of Jim Croce. I don't hear any Croce influence in his music, but he must appreciate the great storytelling in song. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:18:37 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #231 Sorry to interrupt the Dar/Richard imbroglio (reminds me of the Ann Landers brouhaha over which way to hang the toilet paper: paper under or over the spindle?), but can someone tell what is the hidden track at the end of Reunion Hill? And am I the only one who is annoyed by hidden tracks? Are singers ashamed of the song that they don't want to acknowledge it in the album credits? (There, hopefully that will get everyone's mind off the Richard/Dar debate. lol) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:20:44 EDT From: "Sally Green" Subject: [RS] RS list Okay, people. We had such a GREAT start to this SOTW with thoughtful discussion about "Wisteria", and I hate to see it digress in this way. Remember, the topic of this list is Richard Shindell and his music, not Richard versus Dar. They don't compete, so why should we? May I humbly suggest that if you want to argue about who is better, if you must take a position on it, that you email the person whose post you're responding to privately? Even if we are merely discussing who we like better for objective reasons, or whose music speaks to us more, or who is technically better on guitar, we're still comparing the two. It ain't the shindell-versus-williams-list@smoe.org. - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:21:42 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Cuteness Good grief! "Looking up the leg of Ellis Paul's pants"?? LOL! I think not. Anyway, I'm female and I was not offended in the least by someone calling Dar "cute". I don't even understand how any of this came out of that. But speaking of how an artist looks....when I saw Richard in Cincinnati a few months ago, I took some friends who had never seen or heard him. I guess he wasn't what they expected, because when he came out on stage one of them said, "Is THAT him? He looks like a plumber!" :-) Maybe they meant a cute plumber? SMOKEY Embrace what you have in common, celebrate what sets you apart It takes more than the color that you find on a palate to turn humanity into an art... -Ellis Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:28:06 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] hiding in the covers Tom wrote: >>Sorry to interrupt the Dar/Richard imbroglio (reminds me of the Ann Landers brouhaha over which way to hang the toilet paper: paper under or over the spindle?), but can someone tell what is the hidden track at the end of Reunion Hill? And am I the only one who is annoyed by hidden tracks? Are singers ashamed of the song that they don't want to acknowledge it in the album credits? >> The song is "Sing Me Back Home" by Merle Haggard. I think Richard & Larry were thinking that there were already two cover songs on RH so why not have the third one be a hidden track. Norman Sing Me Back Home Lyrics: Merle Haggard Music: Merle Haggard Chorus Sing me back home A song I used to hear Make my old memories Come alive Sing me away Turn back the years Sing me back home Before I die The warden led the prisoner Down the hallway to his doom And I stood up to see Like all the rest And I heard him tell the warden Just before they reached my cell Let my guitar playin' Friend sing my request [chorus] I recall last Sunday morning When a choir from off the street Came in to sing a few old gospel songs And I heard him tell the singers There's a song my mama sang Could I hear it once before you travel on [chorus] From http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/songfile/SINGHOME.HTM ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #232 ***********************************