From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #218 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, August 27 2000 Volume 02 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] SOTW: Wisteria [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Wisteria Redux [RockinRonD@aol.com] Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... ["REBECCA LAY" ] Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... ["REBECCA LAY" ] [RS] Re: SOTW: Wisteria [FISH1994@aol.com] Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... [Tricia9999@aol.com] Re: [RS] Wisteria Redux [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] SOTW : Wisteria [Gf212121@aol.com] [RS] I Forgot [Gf212121@aol.com] [RS] Wisteria ["Sally Green" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:18:18 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW: Wisteria << "It's not my place" means both "it's not my house" *and* "it's not my right to speak." >> Wow . . . good catch, Pat. I'd never thought of "my place" as meaning the house itself, but that's a spectacular double-meaning. One of my favorite parts of the song is how "walk through those rooms again" in the first verse becomes "walk through those *dreams* again" in the last verse. Nice curveball there, Ricardo. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:38:32 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Wisteria Redux Isn't it amazing how we all have life stories akin to the lyrical "Wisteria" on SNP? What I would love to know is, when Richard starts out writing something like "Wisteria" does he have it in his head to strike such a universal chord? Or is it written entirely from personal introspection? Or does the former happen naturally as an outgrowth of the latter? Whatever the process, Richard's songwriting is something special, and "Wisteria" will go down in my book as one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. And I'm glad I had the chance last year to tell him that privately. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:16:08 -0400 From: "REBECCA LAY" Subject: Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... Canned Goods is on Greg's album 'One Night,' which is a live recording from the early '80s, just released on CD last year. I think if might also be on a studio album, but he has so many that it's hard to keep track. Recommended greg albums from me would be (in no particular order, since I love them all) The Poet Game, Slant 6 Mind, or his newest, Covenant. BUT, if you get the chance, he's *amazing* live. Yes. - --Rebecca, maybe de-lurking again soon for SOTW :) >>> CLRY@chevron.com 08/27/00 15:21 PM >>> So I was listening to the only BIG, commercial SF radio station that plays anything I can listen to (kfog.com) and they have a program called Acoustic Sunrise on Sunday mornings. Low and behold, they played Dar!!!! Weeeehoooooooo. Nothing from TGW of course, WIWAB from THR. They also played Greg Brown's song about Canned Goods. I can't find it at Borders dot com. Anyone know what album it's on? Anyone have a GB recommendation? Thanks, j a c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:16:08 -0400 From: "REBECCA LAY" Subject: Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... Canned Goods is on Greg's album 'One Night,' which is a live recording from the early '80s, just released on CD last year. I think if might also be on a studio album, but he has so many that it's hard to keep track. Recommended greg albums from me would be (in no particular order, since I love them all) The Poet Game, Slant 6 Mind, or his newest, Covenant. BUT, if you get the chance, he's *amazing* live. Yes. - --Rebecca, maybe de-lurking again soon for SOTW :) >>> CLRY@chevron.com 08/27/00 15:21 PM >>> So I was listening to the only BIG, commercial SF radio station that plays anything I can listen to (kfog.com) and they have a program called Acoustic Sunrise on Sunday mornings. Low and behold, they played Dar!!!! Weeeehoooooooo. Nothing from TGW of course, WIWAB from THR. They also played Greg Brown's song about Canned Goods. I can't find it at Borders dot com. Anyone know what album it's on? Anyone have a GB recommendation? Thanks, j a c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:15:47 EDT From: FISH1994@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: SOTW: Wisteria Two summers ago I finished clearing out my parents' home of 35 years, where I grew up, in Central Valley, NY.........anyhow, I couldn't resist driving by last Christmastime, and it is so strange seeing how the new people took the house over and made it their own........all our old Rose of Sharon bushes were gone, they had been transplanted there from my grandparents summer place in Amenia........it made me remember my first high school friend to be married, I had the shower, and we picked a Rose of Sharon to make a corsage for her............and I was so surprised to see the Christmas tree lights glowing from a corner of the living room window.....thinking to myself, that is not where the tree ought to go......it ought to be in the family room next to the fireplace..........I guess in a way, going back is good for the soul because it does bring back some old memories, and when the tears flow it is because so many of the people you share these memories with are no longer around to reminisce with you.............anyhow thanks everyone for sharing your stories.............love Claire ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:04:23 EDT From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Random Radio Play... In a message dated 08/27/2000 2:24:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rlay@email.smith.edu writes: > So I was listening to the only BIG, commercial SF radio station that plays > anything I can listen to (kfog.com) and they have a program called Acoustic > Sunrise on Sunday mornings. Low and behold, they played Dar!!!! John: KPFA's Robbie Osmond played Dar this morning too. 11 to 1 every Sunday - good show. He also said that Dar sends money to support KPFA's struggle. She played the benefit for them with Joan B. last year. KPFA (in Berkeley) has a pretty big signal @ 94.1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:23:29 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Wisteria Redux << Isn't it amazing how we all have life stories akin to the lyrical "Wisteria" on SNP? What I would love to know is, when Richard starts out writing something like "Wisteria" does he have it in his head to strike such a universal chord? Or is it written entirely from personal introspection? Or does the former happen naturally as an outgrowth of the latter? >> Interesting. You know, after having spent the better part of this past week listening to nothing but "The Green World," it was an absolute pleasure to put on "Somewhere Near Paterson" for the first time in a couple of weeks and be able to listen to songs that actually Spoke To Me. Where I could dig for deeper meaning if I *wanted* to, but which I could simply appreciate for their surface value as well. I'm certainly not turning this into a Dar versus Richard thing, but it simply served to remind me why his music is so important to me, and why Dar is slowly slipping off my radar screen. "The Babysitter's Here" spoke to me. "The Great Unknown" spoke to me. "You're Aging Well" spoke to me. But most of "The Green World" is too much work, and although I do enjoy listening to it, I don't identify with any of it. Not like I do with "Wisteria," that's for sure. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:59:49 EDT From: Gf212121@aol.com Subject: [RS] SOTW : Wisteria Hey you guys, From the time my children were born, they spent most of their time in two houses, those being the lower half of a semi-attached two family that we rented in Queens, NY (think Shea Stadium, Archie Bunker, Airports, John Gotti) and my parents house, similar but one-family detached, about two miles away (looks like the exterior shot on The King of Queens). In 1994 my parents moved, then in 1997 we also moved to the suburban splendor that is Long Island. After SNP was released, we played it almost constantly, to the consternation of my 14 year old NSync lovin' daughter. Well, came the time we were driving home late one evening, and 'Wisteria' came on the CD player. Katie was in the back seat, and there was no conversation, just Richard's voice. The song ended as we pulled into the driveway. When the car and CD player were shut off, the only sound was Katie softly sobbing in the back seat, at the thought of the two places she grew up, now virtually gone from her life. Now, Richard's no Lance or Justin, but 'Wisteria' is as emotionally real, and deep, as anything I've ever heard. And, as Pat so aptly put it, not smarmy or out for the cheap 'Blind Man in the Bleachers' payoff. I've heard it at least 200 times (I'd guess), and it still makes me stop and listen every time. Bu the way, I drove past my parents' old house about a month ago. It was never a beauty, but the six-foot high cyclone fence recently built around the postage stamp sized lawn has given it a depth of ugliness I couldn't have imagined. Gene F. (who, as a homeowner, does have the occasional desire for a landlord and super) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:01:59 EDT From: Gf212121@aol.com Subject: [RS] I Forgot Hey you guys, Oh my God, how could I forget? This year, for Fathers' Day, Katie gave me a wisteria bush to plant in the yard. Now, I hear it's a chore to tame.... Gene F. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:24:22 EDT From: "Sally Green" Subject: [RS] Wisteria About this song, it reminds me of my childhood home. (I don't have a marriage/partner home as of yet.) Anyway, I just found out this year what wisteria actually IS - it's a wildly growing blooming vine type of thing. Not only was I sad about leaving the house, but also the yard and trees and all of it. There was a giant oak tree in the backyard that had been there for a long time and various branches were alternatively falling off or growing just fine, so before we left, I pulled off one of the rotting large branches. That was pretty stupid, in retrospect, because it was attached high up and could have hit me on the head when it fell, but anyway. This song is beautiful. It seems a little less tragic than it could be, since I take it from the lyrics that the narrator and his wife are still together. The first time I heard this song performed, it was in NYC at the Lincoln Center Plaza. I don't know if this is intentional (probably not), but "Wisteria" reminds me of the word "wistful", as in wistful remembrance. - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #218 ***********************************