From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #113 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Sunbursts [HEYJC01@aol.com] [RS] Stringing Us Along [RockinRonD@aol.com] RE: [RS] Stringing Us Along ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] [RS] Question for the Shindell astute ["Eley, Bill" ] [RS] who me, fret? ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] Guitar Thread etc. [Elwestrand ] Re: [RS] Stringing Us Along ["L. Davis" ] [RS] Question [Tricia9999@aol.com] Re: [RS] Guitar Thread etc. ["E Dupas" ] Re: [RS] Question ["E Dupas" ] Re: [RS] Question [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Stringing Us Along [Rongrittz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:08:43 EDT From: HEYJC01@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Sunbursts In a message dated 6/8/00 12:10:37 PM Central Daylight Time, CLRY@chevron.com writes: << Except that you can hear the notes of the chords, I almost consider this to be a percussion instrument. >> If my music classes serve me, I dont think you're far off here at all. I believe the guitar is technically a purcussion instrument. Much to some people's surprise, it is not a "string" instrument like the violin since there is no use of the bow. Similar in thought to the piano, which is also technically a purcussion instrument. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:00:47 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Stringing Us Along There's been concern expressed on this List that the recent guitar thread was perhaps becoming too technical and off-topic and might be better continued off-List. That's fine, but I would remind everyone that a large part of Richard's appeal is that he is truly a guitar player's guitar player. I'm sure there are some very accomplished musicians on this List--I've seen and heard a few up close, so I know this for a fact. But even they must admit that they've learned quite a bit from watching Richard play. I, for one, have learned an enormous amount by sitting in the first row and repeatedly watching Richard finger, strum, hammer and pull-off through so many of his songs. He's also been kind enough to show me a few things up close and personal (Hey, I've written enough about the guy, he owes me). I would then go home and try to copy his technique. And while I can't match his finesse or clean fingering, at least not yet, I am definitely improving by striving to play like him. I say all this in defense of the guitar playing thread, which in my mind, isn't really all that off-topic, not where Richard's music is concerned. But of course, being the fabulous guy I am, I will acquiesce to the majority and shut the h*ll up about guitars and guitar playing from now on. Thank you non-guitar-playing SharonG for your patience and sentiments--see you at Clearwater in about a week. But one last thing...I can really nail "By Now" and "I Saw My Youth Today." ;-P Hee Hee. RemarkinRon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:59:42 -0400 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] Stringing Us Along <> Isn't "By Now" an incredibly satisfying song to play once you get it down? You gotta love that one. P.S. Turning off the guitar-speak now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:17:59 -0500 From: "Eley, Bill" Subject: [RS] Question for the Shindell astute I got this question from a friend on another list. Does anyone know this off hand?: > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Hughes [SMTP:hughestr@flashcom.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:28 PM > To: bill_eley@aimfunds.com > Subject: Reunion Hill > > Bill, > > Troy here, from Fan Out. I seem to remember you saying that you are a > Richard Shindell fan and I thought maybe you could help me. I have > working > on a dramatization of the song Reunion Hill for a while now. Besides the > obvious emotional and social aspects of the song, I find myself drawn to > it > because the setting seems so familiar to me; reminds me of North Carolina, > the mountains. Anyway... > > As far I can tell, this place, this story is from Richard's imagination. > Do > you happen to know the story behind the song, or if there is one? I'd > love > to hear that there is a Reunion Hill that I can actually visit! > > Well, that's all. Thanks in advance for any info you might have. I > thought > I'd e-mail you personally since this is not so Ellis-related. > > Have a great night/day! > > Troy Bill Eley Project Manager Retail Marketing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:02:50 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Reunion Hill question Questions from another list about RH >> Besides the obvious emotional and social aspects of the song, I find myself drawn to it because the setting seems so familiar to me; reminds me of North Carolina, the mountains. Anyway... >> Hmmm. I've imagined Tennessee (wandering in moth-eaten rags?) or Kentucky. Yes, I know there are mountains in NC but I've seen the song being set in one of the border states. >> As far I can tell, this place, this story is from Richard's imagination.>> I'm sure it's from Richard's imagination. I think he even said so. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:56:05 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] who me, fret? RockinRonD said: >> There's been concern expressed on this List that the recent guitar thread was perhaps becoming too technical and off-topic and might be better continued off-List. That's fine, but I would remind everyone that a large part of Richard's appeal is that he is truly a guitar player's guitar player.>> I'm not a player and I'm not complaining. In fact, I'm learning something. Just remember this extended thread, the next time we go through literacy (over?)analysis. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:48:38 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Guitar Thread etc. Hi group! Well it seems to me that it is appropriate to discuss Richard's guitar, guitar playing etc., but perhaps we are out of line discussing stuff that doesn't really relate to him. What do you think of discussing a song of his and breaking down, not only the lyrics, but what kind of guitar he's playing and how he plays the song any special techniques that stand out etc? I think we would all learn alot about him with this approach and everyone could have input on the subject. Maybe we could do a really in depth song of the week or just pick favorite songs? Any thoughts? ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:12:50 -0400 From: "L. Davis" Subject: Re: [RS] Stringing Us Along RockinRonD@aol.com wrote: > > There's been concern expressed on this List that the recent guitar thread was perhaps becoming too technical and off-topic and might be better continued off-List. You know, oddly enough I don't recall much criticism except as expressed by incredibly conscientious guitar-playing participants! As one who is (yet again) wearily deleting the endless political bickering (as in Bush, Gore, etc.) from the al stewart list, I'm surely not complaining. I mean if you guys want to go offlist, that's very nice of you, pat yourselves on the back. Thanks for your consideration! (this is not sarcasm) BTW perhaps you-all should be sharing some guitar-playing mailing list addresses? I assume there are some -- I'm pretty sure there are lists for musicians in the industry, but can't recall the site. lisa well, I play some piano, and once the cello, but my guitar skills are (were) limited to "I Ride an old paint" :). Also I for one like having my ignorant impression that such things as, for instance, the bits in "Shades of grey" are in fact as impressive as they sound, validated. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:21:46 EDT From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: [RS] Question Can anyone tell me the name of the hidden track (and the writer) on Reunion Hill? Sounds like a Gram Parsons tune... Thanks, Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:39:32 -0400 From: "E Dupas" Subject: Re: [RS] Guitar Thread etc. <<. What do you think of discussing a song of his and breaking down, not only the lyrics, but what kind of guitar he's playing and how he plays the song any special techniques that stand out etc? >> That would be great, after tabbing some of Rich's stuff I understand that any pointers or insights can make all the difference in the world (anybody got some - I could use a couple???) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:40:41 -0400 From: "E Dupas" Subject: Re: [RS] Question <<> Can anyone tell me the name of the hidden track (and the writer) on Reunion Hill?>> "Sing Me Back Home" by Merle Haggard. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:50:43 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Question << Can anyone tell me the name of the hidden track (and the writer) on Reunion Hill? Sounds like a Gram Parsons tune... >> "Sing Me Back Home" by Merle Haggard, I do believe. RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:52:25 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Stringing Us Along << You know, oddly enough I don't recall much criticism except as expressed by incredibly conscientious guitar-playing participants! As one who is (yet again) wearily deleting the endless political bickering (as in Bush, Gore, etc.) from the al stewart list, I'm surely not complaining. I mean if you guys want to go offlist, that's very nice of you, pat yourselves on the back. Thanks for your consideration! (this is not sarcasm) BTW perhaps you-all should be sharing some guitar-playing mailing list addresses? I assume there are some -- I'm pretty sure there are lists for musicians in the industry, but can't recall the site. >> Couple of things, before the conversation about cutting back on the guitar conversation becomes the main topic of conversation. No, there wasn't much *public* complaining about the thread on the list itself, but I *did* receive several private emails from list members -- mostly lurkers -- saying that chatting about Richard's guitar playing was appropriate and interesting list fodder, but that it seemed that the guitar players were starting to talk to themselves in almost a gear-head fashion (not that that's a *bad* thing!). The analogy I used to someone today is that we started to talk about distributors and horsepower and tire pressure and "a '69 Chevy with a 396, Fuelie heads and a Hearst on the floor," rather than why we like to drive. So I wrote a note to my fellow guitar-weenies (sorry if I forgot anyone), gently advising that it might be appropriate if we took the conversation offlist. That's all. No biggie. If anyone wants to start it up again, or keep it going, swell, but I agreed that it was perhaps veering a little bit off topic and felt that we should abide by the general spirit of the list which holds that it's primarily about the music of Richard Shindell. And again, anyone who really wants to get into the nitty-gritty of guitars, check out alt.music.makers.guitar.acoustic. >> What do you think of discussing a song of his and breaking down, not only the lyrics, but what kind of guitar he's playing and how he plays the song any special techniques that stand out etc? I think we would all learn alot about him with this approach and everyone could have input on the subject. Maybe we could do a really in depth song of the week or just pick favorite songs? << Well, if you check the archives, you'll see that we did do several months of "Song of the Week," although we've really never kicked it off for "Somewhere Near Paterson." It's always been an interesting conversation generator, since it allows people to talk about lyrics, characters, writing style, and yes, even guitars. Maybe we'll kick it off tomorrow . . . RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #113 ***********************************