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shindell-list-digest      Wednesday, June 7 2000      Volume 02 : Number 110



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [RS] My final guitar stuff.                             [Rongrittz@aol.com]
  [RS] There Went The Sun                                [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  RE: [RS] Re: Peter's guitar...        [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)]
  RE: [RS] Re: Cheap Guitars      ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>]
  RE: [RS] Still more guitar stuff  ["Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>]
  RE: [RS] Re: Cheap Guitars        ["Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>]
  [RS] MulveyWeb                      [Kerry Bernard <kerry@younghunter.com>]
  Re: [RS] MulveyWeb                                      [SMOKEY596@aol.com]
  [RS] Mary Gauthier Q              ["Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>]
  [RS] RE: Richard Shindell Announcement (For real, this time :)  [Katrin.Uh]
  [RS] List t-shirt ideas       [Bill Rockenbach <b.rockenbach@computer.org>]

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:56:19 EDT
From: Rongrittz@aol.com
Subject: [RS] My final guitar stuff.

<< Ron, I said some nice things about Taylor!!!  >>

LOL . . . including the fact that you wouldn't own one!  You know, the whole 
"Not in MY neighborhood" syndrome.  ;-)  But like we've all implied, that's 
why they make chocolate and vanilla.
 
>> I realize that this thread could go on and on, so if any 
non-guitar-playing members (besides Sharon G -- thanks for your indulgence)  
want this thread to end I'm cool with taking it off-line or letting it die.  
<<

Seriously all, the rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic newsgroup is actually 
pretty interesting.  They have MORE than their share of flame wars, and some 
people feel about certain name brands the way I feel about Joan Baez, but 
generally, it's a chatty group and most questions will eventually be answered.
 
>> If Richard changed guitars today to something completely different I would 
still love his music  <<

Not me.  If he ever starts playing one of those Emenee guitars with the 
crank, he and I are h-i-s-t-o-r-y, baby.  ;-)

RG

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:19:24 EDT
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: [RS] There Went The Sun

In a message dated 6/7/2000 12:17:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave writes:

<<By the way, does anyone share my enthusiasm for sunburst guitars?  Or is
 this just way too off topic for the list? >>

  Here's an interesting little aside re: sunburst guitars.  When Dar played 
at the Outpost in the Burbs in New Jersey last winter, it was on a very 
rainy, damp, chilly evening.  Understandly, the new strings on her Larrivee 
just would not stay in tune in the damp church.  So she borrowed Anne Weiss' 
(who opened for her) guitar--an old Gibson Sunburst--the very same guitar Dar 
once owned and poses with on the cover of The Honesty Room.  Dar gave the 
guitar to Weiss as a gift.  Well I, for one, thought Dar's songs sounded much 
weaker, less resonant from that guitar than her Larrivee.  It sounded almost 
tinny.  But in Anne Weiss' hands, the Sunburst sounded darned good.  Weiss' 
songs are much more bluesy, a barre chord percussive style that is much 
better suited to the Sunburst in my opinion.   Just goes to show you that 
certain guitars are better for certain types of playing--just another 
consideration when choosing one.  Hope you're listening SharonG.

     Ron

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:52:33 +0200
From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)
Subject: RE: [RS] Re: Peter's guitar...

>
> Katrin, take a look at this page of the Martin catalog:
> http://www.mguitar.com/MartinGuitar/StandardOutput.asp?RECORDID=106

I will check that out asap. thanks.

>
> I like the OM-42 also!! And only $4,850 US  =)

wow, even with the lousy exchange rate right now that is still cheaper
than here. It would be about $5800 here.

> More than I'm going to
> spend, probably.  Keep buying lottery tickets.

Oh, definitely.

:-)

Katrin

PS: the guitar I own is one I've never come across in the States. When I
bought it I was pretty clueless about guitar makers, the only thing I knew
was that for some reason I didn't feel like getting a Yamaha, even though
a lot of people had recommended it to me as a beginner's instrument. My
guitar is a Tanglewood TW 15. Korean made, I was told it's a British brand.
It rather inexpensive, sounded and felt great to me (I stayed away from
those
guitars that I couldn't afford anyway, I didn't even want to know what they
sound like). I still think it has a great sound for that quality of a
guitar,
I've used extra light strings lately (Martin strings... I thought I'd at
least
start with the strins if I can't afford the guitar :-)  )
____________________________________________

we come to pass
not to stay
all that matters anyway
is what will follow you

            Peter Mulvey (all the way home)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:57:24 -0400 
From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] Re: Cheap Guitars

<<My first guitar was an Ovation. Don't ask me what possessed me to buy
such a piece of...>>

This is something I have always wondered about myself: how does that company
stay in business?  I understand that they sell a lot of guitars and that
pays the bills, but I'm wondering how they manage to keep pushing their crap
onto otherwise reasonable musicians?  Do they sound that good when plugged
it?  Is that acoustic-electric market just that big for them?  Even so, give
me a nice Fishman pre-amp any day over a plastic-shelled, lap-sliding, thin
sounding, weird sound holed Ovation.

P.S. I'm not bitter.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:22:26 -0500
From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] Still more guitar stuff

Dave asked:
<< By the way, does anyone share my enthusiasm for sunburst guitars?  >>
 
I love sunbursts but I haven't seen many recently that appealed to me.
Perhaps the mass-makers are getting sloppy but the electric guitar sunbursts
(even on the Gibsons -- didn't they invent sunburst?) seem to have drastic
transition.  I have not seen a Collings sunburst yet.  Bruce Weber of Sound
to Earth, who used to run Flat Iron before and after Gibson bought them,
does a beautiful sunburst on his Big Sky f style mandolin.  Sunburst is an
art form that really brings out the beauty of an arch top imho.

j a c

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:45:38 -0700
From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] Re: Cheap Guitars

Ovation is owned by Kaman Music who also owns Takemine and lots of other
things.  To me an Ovation isn't chocolate or vanilla, but it's a flavor that
appeals to people none the less.  Go figure.  A Berkeley commune neighbor of
my parents named Bill Collins bought one of the first Ovations.  He used it
for session work with Jefferson Airplane.  He was so unhappy with the sound
that he cut a huge hole in the back right below the sound hole to make it
better.  He finally just threw it away or so I'm told.  I was just a baby at
the time.

j a c

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dupas, Edward (E.M.) [SMTP:edupas2@ford.com]
> <<My first guitar was an Ovation. Don't ask me what possessed me to buy
> such a piece of...>>
> This is something I have always wondered about myself: how does that
> company
> stay in business?  I understand that they sell a lot of guitars and that
> pays the bills, but I'm wondering how they manage to keep pushing their
> crap
> onto otherwise reasonable musicians?  Do they sound that good when plugged
> it?  Is that acoustic-electric market just that big for them?  Even so,
> give
> me a nice Fishman pre-amp any day over a plastic-shelled, lap-sliding,
> thin
> sounding, weird sound holed Ovation.
> P.S. I'm not bitter.

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:00:37 -0400
From: Kerry Bernard <kerry@younghunter.com>
Subject: [RS] MulveyWeb

All this chatter about Peter lately, I figured I'd let you guys know that
his performance at The Kennedy Center tomorrow (Thursday, June 8) at 6pm
EST will be webcast (audio AND video!) at:

http://www.kennedy-center.org

(Direct link is:
http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/broadcast.html )

Of course, if you're in the DC area, you should skip the Internet thing and
just go to the show.  It's free and, if you can't make it at 6pm, he will
also be playing at 12:00pm at The Capitol Building (also free).

Enjoy!
Kerry :)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:13:35 EDT
From: SMOKEY596@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RS] MulveyWeb

FYI, these Kennedy Center broadcasts are archived, so if you can't watch it "live" online, you can always go back and see it later.  There's a great Ellis Paul performance still in their archives from last summer.

SMOKEY
It's a long strange ride, I can't tell you why
But there's a place in your pocket where peace can abide
You pull it out, it's a compass, a guide
And it will put a little soul on you.
                  ---Ellis Paul

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:27:28 -0700
From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>
Subject: [RS] Mary Gauthier Q

I just found out that Mary Gauthier is playing with, or more likely opening
for Richard for his CA dates in July.  I missed her performance at the
Spring Strawberry Music Festival on Mem. Day weekend this year.  What's she
like?  The bio on her website is endearing.  Check it out:
http://www.marygauthier.com/

j a c

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:55:10 +0200
From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)
Subject: [RS] RE: Richard Shindell Announcement (For real, this time :)

can I just calmly say the following?:
 
> Thu, 9/14	Bottom Line, New York, NY, 7:30pm & 10pm, 212-238-6300


YEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Katrin 


____________________________________________

"baby lets live in the moment
because it feels like life is taking the moment away"

               Ellis Paul

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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 04:55:01 +0900
From: Bill Rockenbach <b.rockenbach@computer.org>
Subject: [RS] List t-shirt ideas

Just a comment:  Personally, I like this idea.  There have been comments
about this line being a bit esoteric and requiring explanation; how
about incorporating a "hint" into the design, with (say) a graphic of a
guitar.  --Bill #2

> 
> T-SHIRT IDEAS:
> 
> "In DADGAD We Trust"
> 

QUOTE: A refuge never grows
 From a chin in a hand in a thoughtful pose,
 Gotta tend the earth if you want a rose. (Indigo Girls)

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