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shindell-list-digest       Tuesday, June 6 2000       Volume 02 : Number 104



                               Today's Subjects:
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  RE: [RS] Richard's Martin         ["Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>]
  Re: [RS] John Denver.                                    [ptpower@juno.com]
  RE: [RS] Peter's guitar...        ["Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>]
  [RS] Another Chris Aside                               [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  [RS] Richard's Martin                                  [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  [RS] Richard's guitars.                                 [Rongrittz@aol.com]
  Re: [RS] Richard's guitars.         [Vanessa Wills <vcwills@princeton.edu>]
  [RS] John Denver                      [Elwestrand  <elwestrand@ureach.com>]
  [RS] Richard's Martin            ["David E. Briggs" <dbriggs@mediaone.net>]
  Re: [RS] A new guitar for Peter!  How do you feel?       [ptpower@juno.com]
  [RS] Talbot                        [John Andrew Clary <drewclary@juno.com>]

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:35:56 -0700
From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] Richard's Martin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E. Briggs
<< Good point.  Thats's why I'm assuming that he's found a nice low-end
guitar or two that works fine for the venues he plays but would rather sit
down with a higher-end instrument at home or in the studio.  Plus, there are
so many other variables in sound, I suppose the guitar itself is secondary.
>>
 
AND, I would not trust a high-end guitar to the airline baggage handlers
between her and Argentina!!!!!

j a c

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:29:51 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] John Denver.

John pondered:

<<Pat, are you by chance a John Michael Talbot fan?>>

Nope . . . never heard of him.

Living and learning . . .
Pat

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:39:06 -0700
From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" <CLRY@chevron.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] Peter's guitar...

> Brandt Barretto wrote:
<< Dave (and listers), When RS came to Carrboro, NC back in mid-April he was
playing a Martin...It was a small body and might have been a 16-series.  It
was not likely a 15 because they are the ones that are all mahogany --
including the top.
> Methinks it was a OOO-16 or variation thereof. What I would like to know
> is what pickup system he is using...I need to
> upgrade mine at some point.  Any suggestions from listers? >>
> 
And I snagged this from the Ask Richard pages:
<< What kind of guitars <snip> do you use? Guitars: Martin SP-00016,
Larrivee 00-09, 1928 Martin 2-17<snip> >>
 
Not sure if this is topical anymore...Yup, the -16 is similar to the famous
- -18 (mahogany and spruce w/ rosewood bridge and fretboard, can't remember
the top bracing) but unless you get a -16 GT it gets a satin finish
(GT=gloss top).  As for pickups, I assume you mean for live performance, not
recording.  Here's my opinion.  I have played all of these in my Martins
except for the blender which was in a Guild D55 (not mine):

*	Martin (Fishman) 332 and it's just OK.
*	Dean Markley Sweet Spot and it's louder than the 332 but not better.
(sometimes the individual elements don't make good contact with the saddle
and that causes bad string balance).
*	Fishman Gold Plus (better than the 332 'cause of the added pre-amp
- -- I think there's two models of this one with diff freq. boosts and I don't
know which I had).
*	Fishman blender like on Talyors, some Guilds, etc. and could NEVER
use the internal mic on stage due to feedback.
*	Highlander (David Crosby swears by this one live) It's just OK to
me.
*	The Shure SM-57 mic is hard to beat when you can isolate it from the
monitors  =)  Plus you can back off or get close to change your volume if
needed.

I'd still like to try the Sunrise and the B-Band.

j a c

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:10:10 EDT
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Another Chris Aside

In a message dated 6/5/2000 3:15:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kerry gushed:

  << you might want to try my favourite Smither CD - SMALL
 REVELATIONS (which is probably my favourite because I think the song "Slow
 Surprise" is one of the most beautiful songs EVER). >>

  But the greatest Chris Smither experience is watching him sing and play 
Killing The Blues by Roly Salley.  Geez, the man is too amazing for 
words...I've begun learning the song because I love it so much.

   Ron

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:28:01 EDT
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Richard's Martin

In a message dated 6/5/2000 5:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brandt writes:

  << When RS came to Carrboro, NC back in mid-April he was playing a 
Martin...It
 was a small body and might have been a 16-series.  It was not likely a 15
 because they are the ones that are all mahogany -- including the top.
 Methinks it was a OOO-16 or variation thereof. >>

  I won't swear on my daughter's life about this but I'm almost positive the 
Martin in question Richard has been playing for the last year is a dreadought 
SPD-16R.  It is not the low end of the line but not the high end either, with 
Mahogany sides and back, spruce top.  I own this very same guitar, although I 
had a Fishman amp installed and changed the synthetic material saddle to a 
genuine bone one--big difference in sound IMO.  It is a fabulous guitar, 
rich, resonant, with good highs and lows and with more than little abalone 
detailing--snowflakes on the frets and rings around the soundhole.  Gold 
tuning pegs.  Great action, but I had that worked on with the initial set-up. 
 I only use  D' Addario Extra Light strings.
   I've been very pleased with the amp I had installed and if you are 
seriously interested, i can ask the luthier who did the work exactly what's 
in there.  This guitar lists for around $2,500. and my installed Fishman amp, 
bone saddle and guitar strap peg set me back another $350.  I've often talked 
to Richard about this guitar--I've even strummed his.  He loves it, as do I.  
I definitely think he uses it in the studio.  Now if I could only play it as 
half as well as he does.

   Ron

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:34:25 EDT
From: Rongrittz@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Richard's guitars.

<< Guitars: Martin SP-00016, Larrivee 00-09, 1928 Martin 2-17 >>

Just wondering what's with Richard's love affair with small-body guitars?  
Heck, the only time I've seen him play anything *resembling* a standard-size 
guitar was at the January house concert (the one that was taped for CBS 
Saturday Morning) when when he borrowed my Taylor 714 . . . and even THAT'S 
not a standard dreadnaught.

Especially given the full sound he gets from his opening tunings, can you 
imagine how big he'd sound if he'd play a grown-up guitar?  ;-)

RG

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:49:22 -0400
From: Vanessa Wills <vcwills@princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: [RS] Richard's guitars.

When I saw Richard at The Point in Bryn Mawr this April, he got all ready to
play, and this random dude screams from the front row, "That guitar's kinda
puny, ain't it?" It was so obnoxious. Richard just laughed it off, "You got a
problem with my guitar?"

Peace,
Vanessa


Rongrittz@aol.com wrote:

> << Guitars: Martin SP-00016, Larrivee 00-09, 1928 Martin 2-17 >>
>
> Just wondering what's with Richard's love affair with small-body guitars?
> Heck, the only time I've seen him play anything *resembling* a standard-size
> guitar was at the January house concert (the one that was taped for CBS
> Saturday Morning) when when he borrowed my Taylor 714 . . . and even THAT'S
> not a standard dreadnaught.
>
> Especially given the full sound he gets from his opening tunings, can you
> imagine how big he'd sound if he'd play a grown-up guitar?  ;-)
>
> RG

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:22:25 -0400
From: Elwestrand  <elwestrand@ureach.com>
Subject: [RS] John Denver

Ok, so I am going to have to stop giving my roomate a bad time 
about her allegiance to John Denver. Its just that I basically 
cannot stand anything that we were bludgeoned with by AM radio 
in the 70's. But I am going to reform re: JD because you all 
like him and maybe even listen to a few CD's - but not when my 
roomate's home - it would go to her head.

Re: Leonard Cohen, I would have to say that no matter how 
brilliant he is I don't seem to "get" it. The other genius that 
I don't "get" is Lou Reed. But, I guess that's ok.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:25:10 -0500
From: "David E. Briggs" <dbriggs@mediaone.net>
Subject: [RS] Richard's Martin

Ron wrote:

> I won't swear on my daughter's life about this but I'm almost positive the
> Martin in question Richard has been playing for the last year is a dreadought
> SPD-16R.
>
Not to nitpick, but I know what I saw in Chicago.  It was either a
Martin 000-15 or 00-15, not a spruce top and not a dreadnought.  This
guitar had what sounded like factory electronics, a grand concert or
grand auditorium body size and definitely mahogany back, sides and
*top.*  I don't doubt he was playing a different Martin at other stops
on his tour.  That's why I'm wondering if he picked this one up along
the way for some reason.  It just find it interesting that he would be
playing a lower end guitar on tour.

Dave

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:06:14 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] A new guitar for Peter!  How do you feel?

Ed intimated:

<<I think that P[eter] M[ulvey] would look and sound great playing a... 

Tacoma Chief (http://www.tacomaguitars.com/models/c/c1c_image.htm)>>

Eeee-yewww!!!

I, for one, would love to somehow see that Louden back in his hands, even
though he gets some pretty decent damned sound from that Seagull.

Pat
(a Martin Dreadnaught guy, incidentally)

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:58:24 -0700
From: John Andrew Clary <drewclary@juno.com>
Subject: [RS] Talbot

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:29:51 -0700 ptpower@juno.com writes:
> John pondered:
> 
> <<Pat, are you by chance a John Michael Talbot fan?>>
> 
> Nope . . . never heard of him.
> 
> Living and learning . . .
> Pat

John Michael and his brother Terry made up the country rock band Mason
Prophet (Profit?) in the early 70's and then he became a Franciscan
Monk/guitar mass guy.   His early records on Sparrow like "The Lord's
Supper" and "The Painter" are must haves.  Rippin' leads and open D
tuning on classical guitar and gorgeous tenor harmonies tied together
with a string ensemble.  I was a convert back in my episcopalian
days...sorry, I can't bring myself to capitalize the E in that word
anymore.

j a c
- --
"Religions are all about the same...Buddha wasn't a Christian but Jesus
would have made a good Buddhist."
     ~ Ray Wiley Hubbard
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