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shindell-list-digest       Monday, June 5 2000       Volume 02 : Number 101



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [RS] John Denver.                                    [ptpower@juno.com]
  Re: [RS] The List                                        [ptpower@juno.com]
  [RS] Where no man. . .              [Vanessa Wills <vcwills@princeton.edu>]
  Re: [RS] Where no man. . .                               [ptpower@juno.com]
  Re: [RS] Where no man. . .                 ["L. Davis" <ldavis@connix.com>]
  Re: [RS] Where no man. . .                               [ptpower@juno.com]
  Re: [RS] John Denver.              [John Andrew Clary <drewclary@juno.com>]

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:48:12 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] John Denver.

Ron admitted:

<<JD will always hold a special place in my heart, as he's pretty much
the reason I play guitar.>>

Hmmmm . . . Oddly enough, when I've thought about the *reason* I play
guitar, I tend to think that Sister Thomas Ann was my biggest influence.
In the mid-60s, the Catholic Church began bending its rules a bit and
"guitar masses" became a rather regular feature. I thought it rather cool
that a nun was playing a guitar (as opposed to changing tires).

Pat

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:58:23 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] The List

Vanessa proclaimed:

<<Catchiest song about death and dying: Leonard Cohen, "Who by Fire?">>

Yes!! This is absolutely one of my all-time favorite Cohen songs, along
with "The Partisan" (which he didn't actually write, but . . .) and "So
Long, Marianne" and "Chelsea Hotel" and "Suzanne" and . . . 

And to make this post a bit more substantial . . .

Go By Brooks
by Leonard Cohen

Go by brooks, love,
Where fish stare,
Go by brooks,
I will pass there.

Go by rivers,
Where eels throng,
Rivers, love,
I won't be long.

Go by oceans,
Where whales sail,
Oceans, love,
I will not fail.

(from "The Spice-Box of Earth")

Pat

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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:47:17 -0400
From: Vanessa Wills <vcwills@princeton.edu>
Subject: [RS] Where no man. . .

Oh, will someone tell Will Shatner to just *stop*?
Just saw him on a priceline.com commercial. It's sad.

Pat, I love "Chelsea Hotel." I used to use a quote from that song as my
sig-line: "You told me again, you preferred handsome men. But for me,
you would make an exception." I've had bad luck trying to turn people on
to Leonard Cohen. Out of desperation, I've started telling my friends
how Kurt Cobain once said that he would like to be reincarnated as a
period in a Leonard Cohen song. Nothing doing. I think some of the
cheesy 60s arrangements are too much for a lot of people to listen past,
but many of his songs do have lovely arrangements behind them, and the
lyrics are so awesome. Anyway, I guess I'm preaching to the choir around
here, but it is a little sad that I know nearly no one who likes his
stuff (there is one guy who loves the version of "Hallelujah" that Jeff
Buckley turns in on "Grace").

Peace, Love, and Mischief,
Vanessa

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:15:52 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Where no man. . .

Vanessa addressed me:

<<Pat, I love "Chelsea Hotel." I used to use a quote from that song as my
sig-line: "You told me again, you preferred handsome men. But for me, you
would make an exception.">>

Yes, I recall that. That's a rather interesting song for a woman to like
so much, I think, because of its rather strong sexual content. What's
interesting, too, is how I *knew* this song was about Janis Joplin when I
first heard it -- I read a portion of Leonard's biography a couple of
years ago which confirmed it. 

<<I've had bad luck trying to turn people on to Leonard Cohen.>>

I can't even recall how I started listening to him -- I think I just took
a chance on him. Once I heard "Bird On A Wire" I was hooked.
Unfortunately, I haven't bought a record of his since "The Best Of . . ."

<< Anyway, I guess I'm preaching to the choir around here, but it is a
little sad that I know nearly no one who likes his stuff (there is one
guy who loves the version of "Hallelujah" that Jeff Buckley turns in on
"Grace").>>

More fodder for the Peter Mulvey listers among us . . . Peter does a
wonderful version of "Hallelujah" too.

Pat

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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:39:51 -0400
From: "L. Davis" <ldavis@connix.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Where no man. . .

ptpower@juno.com wrote:
> 
> <<Pat, I love "Chelsea Hotel." I used to use a quote from that song as my sig-line: "You told me again, you preferred handsome men. But for me, you would make an exception.">>
> 
> Yes, I recall that. That's a rather interesting song for a woman to like so much, I think, because of its rather strong sexual content. 

I beg your pardon?  why is that surprising?
(I do know the song, and the lyrics)
live and learn!

lisa

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:02:55 -0700
From: ptpower@juno.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Where no man. . .

I suppoed:

<<Yes, I recall that. That's a rather interesting song for a woman to
like so much, I think, because of its rather strong sexual content.>>

And Lisa gasped:

<<I beg your pardon?  why is that surprising? (I do know the song, and
the lyrics) live and learn!>>

Did I say "surprising"?

To be succinct with my thoughts . . . It's not that a song with "strong
sexual content" wouldn't be of interest to women but "giving me head on
the unmade bed" is not (from my experiences) a line many women I've known
would find endearing.

Pat
(Geez, I wasn't expecting some kind of Spanish Inquisition!!)

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:02:29 -0700
From: John Andrew Clary <drewclary@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] John Denver.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:08:28 EDT Rongrittz@aol.com writes:
<< Unfortunately (and strangely, for such a popular artist), most of
Denver's early stuff has not been released on CD. In particular, "Whose
Garden Was This"...>>

Wow, this record was my introduction to John Denver and subsequently to
the Beatles if you can believe it --  I was born in '66 and had no older
siblings to saturate my developmental years with Beatles records.  My mom
was a huge Folk fan and she turned me onto the masters (Dylan, Mitchell,
Baez) prenatally -- live, no less.  Anyway, John's version of Elenor
Rigby on this record is haunting and amazing.  I have it on Vinyl still
but it's unplayable.  Sorry for being so off-topic.

john andrew clary
- --
"Religions are all about the same...Buddha wasn't a Christian but Jesus
would have made a good Buddhist."
     ~ Ray Wiley Hubbard
<home> mailto:drewclary@juno.com
<work> mailto:clry@chevron.com

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