From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #95 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 02 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [RS] Why no sopranos? [SMOKEY596@aol.com] [RS] RE: Why No Sopranos ["Dave McKay" ] RE: [RS] Happy Idiots ["Eley, Bill" ] [RS] t-shirt - Shindell's List [Elwestrand ] [RS] John Denver [ptpower@juno.com] [RS] Peter vs. Richard [ptpower@juno.com] Re: [RS] RE: Why No Sopranos [FJPQ@aol.com] [RS] t-shirt/ no not fame!!! [Elwestrand ] [RS] Fame! I want to live forever.... [njohnson@ent.umass.edu (Norman A. ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:07:31 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] Why no sopranos? >>>Smokey:I think you're picking up some bad habits from another list...Bill<<< Possibly. :-) But at least I haven't joined in with the plan to send the poor Englishman on a wild motorcycle ride through Louisiana! No male sopranos down there.... SMOKEY It's a long strange ride, I can't tell you why But there's a place in your pocket where peace can abide You pull it out, it's a compass, a guide And it will put a little soul on you. ---Ellis Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:29:51 +0100 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] RE: Why No Sopranos Smokey said: > I think there are a few other ways to get a man to sing soprano, > but we won't go into that here. :-) We're talking helium here. Aren't we?! :-p And from my sister, Katrin: > I don't really care for Lori McKenna, even though > my favorite Scotish guy loves her. I won't hold that against you though, > Dave. ;-) Just as well, honeybun! I'll keep Lori ... you can have Mark Erelli! :-) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:51:59 -0500 From: "Eley, Bill" Subject: RE: [RS] Happy Idiots Lee: Very well said. I share your experiences with JD. Without your permission (please forgive me), I forwarded your email to one of the Ellis Paul lists I'm on, because this topic is near and dear to the hearts of many of us, and because your email so eloquently stated the phenomenon. As Ellis has gotten popular (and even has a song featured in a Jim Carey movie this summer), there is a real fear he might "do a John Denver". I suppose it's selfish of us to want to keep these guys in the small clubs and venues we love, and not fight with 10,000 others to see them play in some arena. I really respect Richard for his record deal, and how he's set up his professional life (not sure where the move to Argentina fits into this) - the lure of stardom and money is apparently very intoxicating. I imagine when these guy look around and see the half-baked "talent" on the radio making millions, they probably cringe. Anyway, I think we're safe with Richard. Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Wessman [SMTP:lwessman@amcity.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:13 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [RS] Happy Idiots > > Wait a minute. Ed bad-mouthed cauliflower. Should he be allowed to > get away with that? > > As to John Denver, he was fairly credible in the early 1970s, when > songs like "Leaving on a Jet Plane" and "Rocky Mountain High" came > out. In fact, the latter was practically an anthem for a group of > people, including me, who left cities to live in rural areas back > then. He began to lose his reputation as an environmentalist > songwriter because his songs grew syrupy -- at least the ones that > got airplay grew syrupy. He did have a magnificent voice and some > serious talent, though. > > Maybe John Denver is an example of all the bad that can happen to > folk singers who cross over too wholeheartedly into the mainstream. > Trying to appeal to mass markets does weird things to artists. I > mean, can you picture Richard Shindell doing movies with George Burns > and concerts with Frank Sinatra? I think we're better off with > Richard's music reaching a select group who believe in and understand > what he does. As long as that group is large enough for him to earn a > decent living, he can continue to make music that comes straight from > the voices in his head, without being filtered through the commercial > kaleidoscope. > > -lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:25:41 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] t-shirt - Shindell's List Is anyone else offended by this idea? I am. It is essentially a play on words, i.e. a joke based on Shindler's List. I feel there isn't really any room to make jokes about this particular subject, and my dead ancestors concur. I would not wear anything with this slogan out of fear of the proverbial lightening bolt. I also would not want to offend/hurt anyone else. Some people a little closer to the holocaust live with its effects to this day due to its devastating effects on their parents and grandparents. There is no room for humor here. I don't think Richard would approve either. His current album reflects a great sensitivity to the effects of tyrants on individuals (Abuelita, You Stay Here). You may say I take this all too seriously, but failure to take these issues seriously, is always the beginning of the end for one culture or another. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:40:16 -0700 From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: [RS] John Denver Ed confided: <> Oh, I was once a John Denver fan. Having grown up in Toledo, I was initially rather taken by the jab at my hometown ("Saturday Night In Toledo, Ohio" -- written by native-Toledoan, Randy Sparks, by the way), but, alas, he fell out of favor with me when (in his very environmentally-conscious way) he had two enormous gasoline tanks installed onto his property at the height of the gas shortages in the mid-70s. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:57:23 -0700 From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: [RS] Peter vs. Richard In defense of Mr. Shindell, Dave McKay illustriously posted to the Peter Mulvey List: <> Game. Set. Match!! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:14:24 EDT From: FJPQ@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] RE: Why No Sopranos In a message dated 6/1/00 3:37:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgmckay@cwcom.net writes: << Smokey said: > I think there are a few other ways to get a man to sing soprano, > but we won't go into that here. :-) We're talking helium here. Aren't we?! :-p >> there's always the castrati....ouch Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:32:16 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] t-shirt/ no not fame!!! Dear Bill: I didn't mean to assert that anyone on the list was being insensitive per se. Just wanted to put my opinion out there. Although, I am somewhat legendary (among my friends) for my occasional attacks of STRONG (ne strident?) opinions! Sorry if that came off a bit heavy handed. As to the possible fame of Mr. Shindell. I am sad to report that I think fame is already happening to Dar. She is not playing any small venues on her next tour (at least according to a recent Dar-list post). I am afraid Richard will not be far behind. I feel extremely fortunate to have seen them both in small venues more that once. I am betting however, that like other folkies who have had there day in the sun with big hits (and I am not referring to the biggies from the sixties, Baez, Dylan etc.) they will eventually settle back to relative obscurity, allowing us to enjoy them in more intimate settings. With very few exceptions the general public is fickle. Since I plan to be a lifelong Richard lover I will wait out the fair weather fans. Meanwhile, maybe we should all stop telling people about Richard!!!! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:35:33 -0400 From: njohnson@ent.umass.edu (Norman A. Johnson) Subject: [RS] Fame! I want to live forever.... >>As to the possible fame of Mr. Shindell. I am sad to report that I think fame is already happening to Dar. She is not playing any small venues on her next tour (at least according to a recent Dar-list post). I am afraid Richard will not be far behind. I feel extremely fortunate to have seen them both in small venues more that once.>> Well, for all the fame Dar has, and she is a star in the folk world, it's still small in comparison to "mainstream" artists. She's sold less than half a million CDs in her entire career. The "mainstream" artists probably do that the first *week* of a CD's release. This is even small in comparison to the oldtime folk artists... Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, Jackson Browne, etc. all sold millions and millions. As for small venues--Dar, just a month ago, played at the Iron Horse (benefit concert nonetheless). I think she will continue to *sometimes* play in small venues. Judging from the songs that are going to appear on her new CD, I don't think anyone can say she's watered down or compromised her art. I think this one's going to be a beaut. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #95 **********************************