From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #36 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 036 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #35 [Singingfem@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #35 [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] Welcome. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Have pity on Katie [NewCoenBro@cs.com] [RS] when you say Dylan (helping katie) ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] Have pity on Katie ["L. Davis" ] [RS] angry young man ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:10:09 EDT From: Singingfem@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #35 Hi folks! Just a quick intro/hello...I'm a West Coast Richard fan, out here near SF and am so glad Richard is getting the success he deserves. I don't know that I have a favorite CD of his...but I do love certain songs in particular, like Summer Wind, Wisteria, Fishing and Mary Magdalene. I recognize many of you from the dar-list - Ron, Ron, Kerry, and um, Mrs. Ellis Paul-Mahoney? Yeah, right. :-) ~Bonnianne Boroson-Shindell NP: WXPN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:24:33 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V2 #35 Welcome, Bonnianne! :-) Isn't it cool how many new fans are joining the list? Awesome! And yes, WXPN is probably the coolest radio station on the planet (but don't let the people at WPRB, we're I'm training to be a DJ, know that I said that). Hey, in case any of you guys happen to be awake between 3-7 am Saturday morning, listen to WPRB at 103.3 FM in the NJ area or at wxpn.com. At some point between those hours, I'll be doing my first half-hour segment on the air! And then, sometime soon, I'll have my very own three hour graveyard shift, which I'll be sure to post to the list about, just in case anyone's up that late/early. Exciting! :-) - --Vanessa Singingfem@aol.com wrote: > Hi folks! Just a quick intro/hello...I'm a West Coast Richard fan, out here > near SF and am so glad Richard is getting the success he deserves. I don't > know that I have a favorite CD of his...but I do love certain songs in > particular, like Summer Wind, Wisteria, Fishing and Mary Magdalene. I > recognize many of you from the dar-list - Ron, Ron, Kerry, and um, Mrs. Ellis > Paul-Mahoney? Yeah, right. :-) > > ~Bonnianne Boroson-Shindell > > NP: WXPN - -- "If we're to be damned, let's be damned for what we truly are." --Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise-D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:16:34 GMT From: jalvo@mbay.net (John Alvord) Subject: Re: [RS] Appel Farm Schedule On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:21:08 -0800, Lee Wessman wrote: >>John, > >What and where is the Kate Wolf Festival? (I know who Kate Wolf was -- >knew her, in fact. Just didn't know there was a festival in her honor.) > >--lee > It is in Sebastopol, about 1.5 hours South of San Fransisco. See www.katewolf.com john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:42:37 EDT From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Appel Farm Schedule In a message dated 04/20/2000 5:15:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jalvo@mbay.net writes: > about 1.5 hours South of San Fransisco Actually North of SF. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: [RS] More things change, more they remain same Hello, folks, Forgive this maybe obvious observation, but as we've been talking about the guy in "Confession," I heard something on the radio today that made me thing of that song. But instead of "Hey, doc," what I heard was: "Doctor, pleeeeeze, some more of theeeeze." Yup, Stones' "Mother's Little Helper." Deb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:08:09 -0400 From: "L. Davis" Subject: Re: [RS] Have pity on Katie Katie Mahoney wrote: > On the off-chance that none of you kind and lovely and generous and > sympathetic and warm-hearted people want to volunteer to do this, does anyone know any terribly cool (or even slightly cool) RS/BD connections, so at least I have *something* to tell all those Dylan-listers? (1) Larry Campbell, no? (2) I am virtually certain to have heard Richard take pot shots at Bob Dylan for shall we say "borrowing" other people's songs without attribution -- it may have been trad. songs he meant, which he said Dylan claimed were his -- or to be cautious about this, did not identify as being trad. and therefore by inference implied were his -- does anyone else recall this? That would be a way to start an unhelpful flame war, of course! !!! :) :) :) (3) Oh wait -- forgot -- you know of course that Richard did a recording of a Dylan song (and a great job too) on the Sister Ruby CD "A Tribute to Bob Dylan" vol. 2, which consists of covers including Richard doing "She Belongs to Me" as well as John Gorka doing "Love Minus Zero" and a really terrific Ellis Paul "All Along the Watchtower"? For that matter a group I don't know "Uncle Green" did "Ballad of Thin Man" and now you are inspiring me to put it on the CD player -- lisa (50% unhelpfully) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:16:20 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Welcome. << Hi folks! Just a quick intro/hello...I'm a West Coast Richard fan, out here near SF and am so glad Richard is getting the success he deserves. I don't know that I have a favorite CD of his...but I do love certain songs in particular, like Summer Wind, Wisteria, Fishing and Mary Magdalene. I recognize many of you from the dar-list - Ron, Ron, Kerry, and um, Mrs. Ellis Paul-Mahoney? >> Welcome to Bonni(no-e)anne, singer extraordinaire and all-around cool person. My only question is . . . what took you so long? RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:25:18 EDT From: NewCoenBro@cs.com Subject: Re: [RS] Have pity on Katie << Oh wait -- forgot -- you know of course that Richard did a recording of a Dylan song (and a great job too) on the Sister Ruby CD "A Tribute to Bob Dylan" vol. 2, which consists of covers including Richard doing "She Belongs to Me" as well as John Gorka doing "Love Minus Zero" and a really terrific Ellis Paul "All Along the Watchtower"? >> I had never heard of this project. But as soon as I read this, I immediately checked cdnow and they don't have it! Is it out of print? Say it ain't so! I think I would do almost anything to have a copy. Can anyone help? Ian. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:21:19 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] when you say Dylan (helping katie) I wonder whether there are or have been debates on the Dylan list as to the merits (or lack thereof) of one Joan Baez. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:30:30 -0400 From: "L. Davis" Subject: [RS] another ambivalence Say, on the subject of these song characteres we love to hate, How do any of you feel about that Bill Joel song "Angry Young Man," those of you who know/remember this? "There's always a place for the angry young man / with his working class ties and his radical plans / he refuses to bend he refuses to crawl / and he's always (something) with his back to the wall / " (last line) and his honor is pure and his courage as well and he's (something something) and he's boring as hell and he'll go to the grave as an angry young man." Well of course most of the "angry [young, now older] men" I know I rather like, in fact, on that account, and yet I take the (more conservative and selfish and yet realistic) point of the singer, assuming of course it *is* Billy Joel's point of view, as I'd always assumed. I've been musing on this ambivalence for lo these 20 years or so. Or perhaps this is just the natural tendency to identify with, defensively, the character perceived to be attacked? lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:35:07 -0400 From: "L. Davis" Subject: Re: [RS] Have pity on Katie I'm lstening right now to the Dylan CD and I may have oversold the Ellis Paul and the Uncle Green -- still enjoyable but not A+ or anything. As I recall I had to order by mail from Sister Ruby Records, 3562 Canadian way, Tucker, GA 30084. A miniscule label. I think this was posted on some ancient folk_music list or something, I really can't remember. Copyright 1994. Maybe they have a website. It's always interesting hearing Dylan sung by people who can *sing* :). (My absolute favorite would be "Percy's Song" sung by the immortal Sandy Denny of Fairport Convention.) lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:51:07 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] angry young man Lisa asked about Billy Joel's "Angry Young Man": >> and his honor is pure and his courage as well/ and he's (something something) and he's boring as hell and he'll go to the grave as an angry young man." >> Actualy, the last lines are: And there's always a place for the angry young man, With his fist in the air and his head in the sand. And he's never been able to learn from mistakes, So he can't understand why his heart always breaks. But his honor is pure and his courage as well, And he's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell- And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man. Joel's portrait of the AYM is more pathetic than sympathetic. I, too, am ambivalent about the song. It's very defeatist. But I think it was a sign of the times (1976). Then again, much as I like him as a pop singer, maybe we shouldn't listen to Billy Joel's predictions--- "Rock and roll just used to be for kicks But nowadays it's politics And after *1986*, what else could be new" -- Billy Joel "Modern Woman" What else could be new? Try the Internet, the breakup of the Soviet Union, Monicagate, and the careers of Richard Shindell and Dar Williams! Norman NP: Billy Joel RIVER OF DREAMS ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #36 **********************************