From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #409 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, March 4 2013 Volume 12 : Number 409 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Thank you [Christine Thomas ] Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? [Laurence Krulik ] Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? [Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] Thank you I have to say all the activity on this list and the Much Madness tournament has re-acquainted me with some RS I had not listened to much recently. The best thing is that I got a couple of new songs out of the deal that I didn't think I liked. Reunion Hill is my new favourite! So thank you! - -- "Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind. "Pooh?" he whispered. "Yes, Piglet?" "Nothing," said Piglet, taking Pooh's hand. "I just wanted to be sure of you." Adopt a dog it will change your life. www.turtlegardens.org www.saintsrescue.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:21:27 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? I can't really speak for the other folks in the under 50 crowd, but for me (age:36), I think the "late" Richard catalog had quite a bit of influence for me given it's what I started with. I picked up Vuelta in 2004 (when it was released) and latched onto that album like a leech on blood. The shows I first saw were heavy on Vuelta (Last Fare, Deep Muddy, Mavis). I think discovering Shindell was a major life event for me... and the "relevant" songs at that time left a mark. And then there was the release of Not Far Now (5 years later!) which really was the first album (of originals) I looked forward to Richard releasing (another semi-life event). So, maybe it's not the age of the person but rather *when* they started liking Richard. However, age probably influenced *when* Shindigers got their start as I doubt I would have been as enthralled with Sprarrow's Point in 1992 when my discman couldn't play Nirvana/Pearl Jam/Alice in Chains/Soundgarden loud enough for my virgin ears. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Shelda Eggers wrote: > Chris wrote: > >> Ditto for "Fleur-de-Lis", with its narrator's overwhelming longing for >> motherhood (as I interpret it) -- there I'm crossing gender lines. >> > > Hmm... now there's an interpretation that never occurred to me. Had to go > back and read the words again, and I kinda sorta see where that's coming > from. I hear 'with my baby' in a very different way. Interpretation of > such an ambiguous song is a curious thing indeed. > > Very interesting also about the age thing in song selection. > > > Carol wrote: > >> Does anyone under 50 NOT think Rufus Wainwright is more dreamy when he >> does >> Leonard Cohen than Leonard is??? >> > > Oh, the sacrilege! But then, I'm not in the under 50 crowd. > > Shelda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:03:00 +0000 From: "Thomas, Tracey" Subject: [RS] Elite Eight 1. Nora vs Courier ****Nora 2. Mary Magdalene vs. Reunion Hill ****Reunion Hill 3. Transit vs. Fishing **** Fishing 4. You Stay Here vs. Wisteria **** You Stay Here This was tough!! Tracey Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:20:07 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Dave wrote: > Absolutely, with two possible exceptions: > > 1) The artist is so loud that you can't here yourself sing, never mind > anyone else. .......I'm with you on this. I've been on the floor for both Springsteen and McCartney and I could have sung "Born to Run" or "Band on the Run" at the top of my lungs and no one would have known. My other pet peeve, and it's certainly not as common at folk shows, is the drunk idiot. While I don't enjoy it, I can understand how younger kids can be like this was at shows. Why an adult, who most likely paid scalper prices to be up front does it, I do not know. Several years ago when it looked like James Blunt might just be someone, I paid big to get my teenage daughter up front at his show. Too incredibly drunk blondes would NOT shut up the entire show. Blunt was/is basically a singer-songwriter and it's not like singing along with Springsteen. When they ruined his encore of "You're Beautiful" by acting like someone just started "Free Bird", I leaned over and said I didn't know if the bleach or the booze had killed their brains, but I paid $200 for my seat and needed them to shut up. I also got an usher involved. They spent the rest of the show shooting birds at me. Really???? If I go to any show over 50 people, I'm sure to get the "everyone gets to hear me" drunk somewhere near me at the show. Some venues and artists it doesn't really matter, but when it does, it DOES. ....CL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 09:56:47 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Ron, couldn't agree with you more here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:14:08 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3AOlbJXos Hi, Is just me about people talking at concerts, and I do not mean singing along, as I have no issues on that. This has been going on for me at concerts for a long time, as things got out of hand this time. The above is Jeff Tweedy of Wilco talking about this problem at a concert. I sent a copy of my email, I wrote to some friends, to the venue. I know some of you perform too. what do you think about this problem. Mike From: Wjzwjz@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:29 AM To: mlmarmer@verizon.net Subject: Re: Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Mike, It will be interesting to see if you get anything more than a canned response...... - -- Bill Zide "The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right." - -- William Safire "Nothing ever becomes real till it is experienced -- even a proverb is no proverb to you till your life has illustrated it." - -- John Keats In a message dated 3/3/2013 11:07:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@verizon.net writes: Hi, we attend many concerts a year at the Barns, Schooner Fare, Lucy Kaplansky, Buskin and Batteau, Catie Curtis (in the past). we have been coming to the Barns since the 80s. We saw Tom Rowe sadly of Schooner Fare give his last show ever. you need to have Bob add something about not talking during the shows to his announcements of no cell phones etc. Sure singing is one thing, but talking at the Barns is getting really bad. Why do these people come and spend all this money then. They do not care about anyone else. I am not sure how well your ushers are trained in handling a situation like this, but me, getting up during the show to get a usher to come back is really a bad thing, but if I must, I will. I am not putting up with this nonsense anymore. Enough not to come anymore. Sincerely. Michael Marmer Germantown, MD From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:51 PM To: Linda Marmer Subject: Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:11 PM To: Barry Jamison ; Bill Lane ; Bill T ; Bill Zide ; Bob Hendrickson ; cookie flannery ; dalefsmith@att.net ; Debbie Tocknell ; djdewey@cncnet.com ; Don Conard ; Don Thompson ; fhazlehurst@yahoo.com ; Gerald Feldman ; gerald r dobbs ; grant bishop ; Horace Dufresne ; Jeff Snell ; Jerry Poniatowski ; jhannawald@comcast.net ; Jim Hartley ; John Cangemi ; John Tancredi ; Joseph ; Katie ; Larry Moore ; Linda Marmer ; Michael & Linda Marmer ; Mike Strickland ; Ralph Loveless ; Rick Evans ; royhoffman@yahoo.com ; rvelapoldi@gmail.com ; Sheila Duffy ; SnSTrains@aol.com ; Sr. Bruce R. DeGailler ; Steve Conard ; Steve Eastman ; Steve Hoschler ; Sue Maskaleris ; t.hawley@comcast.net ; Tennsgauge@aol.com ; The Winans ; Thomas Bianculli Subject: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. And now the rest of the story. Last Night Linda and I went to the Barns of Wolftrappe, as really neat place for concerts, as this is the only the music venue in the country run by the National Park Service. The Barns is a modern building but the inside is a actually English Barn 1850s from up state NY. Seats about 300 to 400, with a balcony as we always sit in the 2nd row, center. We saw one of favorite duos, David Buskin and Robin Batteau as we have been following them since 1984. Most of the people we follow you have not heard of, well, a few of you are music friends some you know of B&B. All of you have heard them in commercial jingles, Heartbeat of America for Chevrolet, Burger King Town, Chi chi Cheerios, Advance Auto parts and so on. We see them every year in March at the Barns. We are really into music, as we do about 10 to 15 concerts a year, as this is concert number 2 for this year, as next week is a classical concert with Beethoven 7th as the main piece. We have 4 concerts in April Ron Sexsmith, Garnet Rogers, Great Big Sea and another classical concert with Brahms's Symphony 1 and Modori as the main pieces. We get to our seats and the concert starts, as the lady in front of me and her date next to her left, are chit chatting as the duo sings. Irritating, but I say nothing. During the second song, the lady in front of me turns to the lady next to her and says something. the lady responded, not sure what, as I think she di did that to be bpoliteb to her. Then the lady who asked the question, laughs out real LOUD and goes read loud, NO WAY!!!!!!!! I thought, enough, as I believe she is going to keep this up with the lady next to her. So I politely lean over between the 2 women and I said, nicely, bCould you be quietb and I was done. So they quieted and things seem to be normal again. A few minutes later, the man, who I did not direct my question to, says bWe where talking quietly. b and then I think he said bGo Fuck yourself.b as I know he used the F word. I am not feeling great, as I said earlier, the right side of mouth, top and bottom molars, gums, and lounge are in great pain. I just saw the dentist on 2-4 no x-ray, not due this time, but I will call them tomorrow, as this has been going on all week. It could be sinus, but they feel fine. Or a nerve. I do not think it is root canal on all the teeth. So when he said that, I did lose it, as I really wanted to punch him, but knew not to, so I pushed him on his shoulder. I have never done anything like that before. So he starts yelling bYou touch me again, I will have you arrestedb which he could, and so on and on. The lady next to me, a single ticket holder said for both of us to knock it off or she will have both of removed, as she was in the right to do that. I told her I was sorry and that I did nothing, overall. So all is well again. Intermission, as the lady next to me, the couple that like to talk and Linda leave to go to the rest room. I apologized to the other lady who was asked the question with the show going on, as that could have been done at intermission. It turns out they are from Boston, leaving in Raleigh NC the last 16 years. They are big fans too, as they came up to Raleigh for the show. So we have a common interest and we talk about duo, as I told her things about B&B she never knew, and so on. So the 2nd part of the show starts and the couple is back at it. but I say nothing. B&B have some classics quiet type songs they do at the end, as you could hear them talking pretty good. Now Linda is getting annoyed, as it just ruined the songs. Linda told me she kept pointing to things, and she would talk about it to boyfriend, as he was in his 60s. I could not see this, since I was behind her. So that tells me they did not know this group at all for many reasons but I wont go into that. So next time, I will get the usher, but these ushers are elderly people, probably not train in things like this. Our usher had a broken neck! Getting the usher during the show will make a scene, but that is what I will do for now on. And so it goes. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 06:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] On a Sea of Fleur di Lis I just realized I never responded. I really couldn't tell you what this song is about. To me, it's a song with dream-like images. I feel there's a message here but I don't know what it is. When I first heard this line, "And in no time youd have your own See" I thought it was 'sea' but now that really puts the song in another realm. But what that realm is, I have no idea. I figured if the author of the song doesn't know what it's about, then there's no way I'll figure it out. It's just a lovely song and makes me feel hopeful when I hear it. Janet - --- On Sat, 3/2/13, john cliirigh wrote: Janet, maybe you can tell me wth FdL is about? =)Lisa (Elwestrand) tried to explain it to me back at the turn of the century. I'm still stumped. John Clary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:58:45 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? I got into folk/acoustic/singer-songwriter music when I was around 14 or 15--I started high school and the friends I made there were into it, and I'm pretty sure my first concert was The Nields (to address another thread!). I'm 32 but I definitely fell in love with Richard's music during his "early period". It was spring 1998--after Reunion Hill but before Cry3 (at the show I saw him at in 1998, he announced he'd be touring soon with Dar Williams and Lucy K., the latter of whom I hadn't heard before). I remember I didn't quite have enough scratch for CDs at my first show, but by the time I saw him again in 1999, with Cry3, I had made sure to show up with lots of cash, which I used to buy Sparrows Point, Blue Divide, RH, and the Cry3 album. (And I still clearly recall Richard's stunned face when I plopped down the whole stack, along with a Cry3 poster, and asked him to sign it all.) Of course SNP came out right away in 2000, but the first three albums remained for me the core of Richard's catalog, and to this day Sparrows Point is my favorite RS album. Then it was another four years until Richard's next studio album, further cementing SP, BD, RH, and SNP as "the" RS catalog. Looking back at my Much Madness picks, I can't discern any tendency to vote more for earlier or later songs. As a rule, I love my favorite "late period" songs as much as I do my favorite "early period" ones. That said, I tend to dislike my least favorite "late period" songs somewhat more than I dislike my least favorite "early period" songs. The old stuff has a special place in my heart but to me it is exciting to see Richard push himself in new directions as a songwriter. "Careless" is just about the last song I *ever* expected him to write, but all it took was one listen for that to get added to my personal list of all-time RS faves. - --V On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Carol Love wrote: > Any ideas on age demographics and song selection?? ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #409 ************************************