From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #371 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, February 10 2013 Volume 12 : Number 371 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] William Taylor's age [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Careless lyrics [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] Careless lyrics [Pete Jameson ] [RS] Round Two [jimcolbert@aol.com] Re: [RS] Round Two [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Copy & Paste Careless lyrics [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] I am a terrier ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] [RS] Much Madness Version 1.2 [Phueber@aol.com] [RS] Round 1, vol 2 [Bernadette Marian ] [RS] William Taylor's age [Cathy Bell ] Re: [RS] Much Madness Round One continues ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:50:37 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] William Taylor's age .....OK, THAT is a great theory!! It fits the story perfectly. Well done, Cathy!! On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Cathy Bell wrote: > But I got to wondering the other day: I've always assumed that the "three >> days west of Normandy" referred to the invasion of Normandy on D-Day in >> June >> of 1944. But if William Taylor was born in '24, wouldn't the reference to >> him being 21 be off a year, since, depending on his actual birthdate, he >> could only be either 19 or 20 in 1944? >> >> RG >> > > I've always loved this, actually. He lied about his age in order to > enlist, and then he internalized it from having told people over and over > that he was older than he actually was. > > (Of course it's more likely it's just a slip, and that twenty-one fit the > meter a whole lot better than nineteen or twenty. But I like to make up > reasons to make it work!) > > Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:29:33 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Careless lyrics Hey, Pete, Can you copy-and-paste them directly into the text of an e-mail? The smoe servers will strip attachments as an anti-viral measure. Thanks for transcribing the lyrics. This is something I was thinking about doing soon if no one else did, and it's great that you're on the case! :) - --V On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Pete Jameson wrote: > I have come up with these approximate lyrics for Richard's new > mesmerizer, "Careless": > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/msword which > had a name of Careless.doc] > Transcripto 'dro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:16:57 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] Careless lyrics After listening live, then on the radio, and finally scrutinizing the youtube video, I have come up with these approximate lyrics for Richard's new mesmerizer, "Careless": [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Careless.doc] Transcripto 'dro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 13:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: jimcolbert@aol.com Subject: [RS] Round Two 1. May Not even close, in my book. May is intense, as Norm mentioned. I am always going to prefer the FF version with the extra half-verse. Gene can attest, We're About Nine does a fine take on this live, now and again. Plus, a sentimental favorite for our old pal Lee Wessman. 2. Beyond the Iron Gate Damn, now I'm already deep into pondering mode. Love them both, and I love playing Arrowhead, but i gotta go with the layers in Iron Gate. With the disclaimer that I'm still not quite sure what it means. And I love that about it. 3. Blue Divide I don't listen to either of these all that often if I'm skimming through single tracks, but I think I like BD better. 4. Kenworth of my Dreams Again, tough choice. KOMD, in part cause I've always been a sucker for truck driving songs. Alabama singer songwriter Dave Potts does a neat cover of this. 5. The Things that I Have Seen By a slight margin. 6. Money for Floods Always liked the story here, and the experimental structure and rhyming... or lack of same. And the seemingly always timeless social commentary here. (Also one that WA9 does a fine cover of - acapella. Nice stuff.) 7. Memory of You I'm sorry, Gene, I gotta go with MOY, which was actually the second RS song I ever heard - its partly nostalgia on my part. 8. The Courier No comparison lyrically to me, plus love the flow musically. 9. Cancion SencillaSmiling I abstain from this one. If I never heard either one again, I would not feel my life was the lesser for it. 10. Sparrows Point Always loved this song and the story it tells... so sparse, and yet so full. Never noticed the math snafu before. 11. Che Guevara T-Shirt No great insight here, I just like it better. And it's a great title! 2. Nora Literate without being pretentious and highbrow. And I, too still want to know the back story. And I personally don't miss Merrit Parkway; pretty little tune but I feel cheated by a Shindell song with no lyrics. Satellites I've always been take it or leave it with. - -Jim C somewhere near Mount Nittany ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:09:02 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Round Two And see, for me, these are two I really enjoy. "Merritt Parkway, 2am" would have easily beat out a number of songs if I were forced to choose. I really love the winding melody. But I do think it made total sense to leave "Merritt" and "Satellites" out for logistical reasons. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:42 PM, wrote: > And I personally don't miss Merrit Parkway; pretty little tune but I feel > cheated by a Shindell song with no lyrics. Satellites I've always been > take it > or leave it with. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:17:07 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Copy & Paste Careless lyrics Thanks, Pete! While waiting for you to post these, I did go through and try to work out the lyrics so we could compare notes. I just came up with a few differences. I'm pretty confident the second line is, "It was April, May". This also makes more sense with the line "Can't be more precise". And I think he then says, "The time frame *is* a wash". I think the last line of the third verse is "but the worst *of* me was me, nevertheless". And I think the first line of the chorus is always "*I've* learned to live with it now". And the last line of the chorus is "You *who* were once my friend", with no "and". Let me know what you think. Other than those differences, I got the same you did. One of the things I found really interesting about Richard's comments in that WUMB interview was that he said the songwriting process for this song was totally different than what he's done before. He said that the song came to him all of a sudden and only twenty minutes passed from the time he started writing it to the time he was done. - --V On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Pete Jameson wrote: > Careless ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:27:42 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] I am a terrier reminds me of a Dave Mallett song, Phil Brown, as the gas station Esso is mentioned, pre Exxon days. One person on his chat group wanted to know what a S O Station was. How time has gone by. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Norman Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:06 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: [RS] I am a terrier Toby wrote: >> 8. The Courier-I love this one because one of the first times I saw >> Richard was at an outdoor dog walk/benefit concert for our local SPCA, and he substituted Terrier for Courier....it was hilarious, and I think that was the moment I fell in love with the man, the music:)<< That is so funny. I wish I could have seen that! Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: Phueber@aol.com Subject: [RS] Much Madness Version 1.2 This was the weaker half of the bracket for me. Not many Dukes or Syracuses here. 1. May - Classic 1 vs. 16 seed. May is such a powerful song both lyrically and musically. Bye bye, Bye Bye. 2. Beyond the Iron Gate - I imagine Arrowhead will win this one but I'm going with BTIG in the upset special. 3. Juggler Out in Traffic - This was a tough one. I think Juggler just has a little more emotional impact. 4. Grocer's Broom - Kenworth never did it for me. It was always so jarring to hear this song in the middle of the quiet beauty of the Sparrows Point CD. 5. Gray Green - Beautiful tune. 6. Money for Floods - I'd take You Again over either of these 7. Memory of You - or these 8. The Courier - Spring is one of those songs that I always seem to hit the skip button on. 9. Cancion Sencilla - Smiling falls under the "What was he thinking?" category for me. I probably haven't made it all the way through that one more than twice. 10. Sparrows Point in a nail-biter. 11. Castaway - Another tough one. Castaway hits a buzzer-beating 3 to win it in overtime. 12. Nora - The two teams take the court for pre-game warm-ups. The players from The Island take one look at Nora's imposing lineup, pee in their collective shorts and go running back into the locker room. The Island's coach is forced to forfeit the game and resigns in shame immediately afterward. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:18:22 -0500 From: Bernadette Marian Subject: [RS] Round 1, vol 2 As we get to the next round, it might feel like Sophie's Choice with some of these tunes. I admire RG's ability not to tamper with the random pairings. I am not sure I could have done it with some of the pairings we have already seen. 1. *May No contest here. May is under played in RS's live shows. Personally, (about to get my self in trouble here...) he could play Transit less and May more. 2. *Arrowhead this is a really hard choice for me. Such different realms in my musical mind but I guess I have to go with Arrowhead. One of the few times I vote against a Reunion Hill song. Beyond the Iron Gate is a wonderful tune and I have always had a fond place for it but Arrowhead is the type of storytelling that is classic RS. His newer stuff seems to have less of this type of story telling and I miss it. 3.*Blue Divide Nostalgia wins on this one. I like both but I have always pictured this song on Cape Cod, on Marconi Beach. Ironically, Marconi is not far from Mavis' beach at Newcomb Hollow. 4.*Kenworth of my Dreams Another tough one for different reasons. I have to go with Kenworth mostly because when I drove across the continental US with my kids, we would play this tune until we spotted a Kenworth. It never took long to find a Kenworth 5. *The Things that I Have Seen The story of this one gets my vote 6. *Money for Floods Easier choice than some in this round. I like lazy but it doesn't stand up to MFF 7.*The Weather Reunion Hill tunes tend to sway me. 8. *The Courier RS has a way with war stories and this one is no exception. 9.*Smiling Reunion Hill again. 10.*Sparrows Point No contest again. I like GG but not nearly as much as SP. 11. *Che Guevara T-Shirt Classic even though there was a time that I felt I heard it live too much (with others being neglected...see #1). 12. *Nora Classic RS. Bernadette, general lurker and looking forward to the live shows (feeling grateful that I did not get tickets to Passims for Fri as the Thurs night switch would not have worked for me to travel to Cambridge. CW stream was the next best thing) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: Cathy Bell Subject: [RS] William Taylor's age > But I got to wondering the other day: I've always assumed that the "three > days west of Normandy" referred to the invasion of Normandy on D-Day in June > of 1944. But if William Taylor was born in '24, wouldn't the reference to > him being 21 be off a year, since, depending on his actual birthdate, he > could only be either 19 or 20 in 1944? > > RG I've always loved this, actually. He lied about his age in order to enlist, and then he internalized it from having told people over and over that he was older than he actually was. (Of course it's more likely it's just a slip, and that twenty-one fit the meter a whole lot better than nineteen or twenty. But I like to make up reasons to make it work!) Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:40:19 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Much Madness Round One continues Now that is funny. Mike First vote for "Bye Bye" after ten voters. Whew. Thought I was going to have to invoke the Little League mercy rule. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Cathy Bell Subject: Re: [RS] Much Madness Round One continues. 1. May This one, at least, was an easy decision for me. 2. Arrowhead Ugh, I hate to see Beyond the Iron Gate go, especially in the first round! I love both these songs so much. Arrowhead wins beacuse of the slow-galloping rhythm and the loveable narrator who stands so vividly in my memory. 3. Blue Divide I liked Juggler a lot when I first heard it, but it has grown anemic with time. Blue Divide is the exact opposite: I thought it was okay, years and years ago when I first heard it, but it's grown on me so much. I love it for its beautiful wistfulness. 4. Kenworth of My Dreams A shutout victory. Grocer's Broom basically laid down and got run over. 5. The Things that I Have Seen This one went into double overtime, but The Things That I Have Seen edged out Gray Green in the end. The Things That I Have Seen is such an archetype of what Richard does so well. Gray Green is beautiful and evocative and ... I need to stop typing now or I might change my vote. 6. Money for Floods Not a runaway victory. Lazy is a sweet little song. 7. The Weather Richard and everyone else may hate it, but I love The Weather. I'm voting for it because I'm afraid no one else will. (I love Memory of You, too, don't get me wrong.) Back in the days when I lived somewhere where Richard played shows frequently, I'd request The Weather from time to time, just to hear him snort, "No." 8. Spring Must I choose? All right, I'm voting for Spring for the come-from-behind victory. I love its warmth and evocativeness and good cheer. 9. Smiling Another brutally hard decision. Concion Sencilla is so beautiful, and so different from most of Richard's songs. But Smiling is ... Smiling. It lends itself so well to multiple interpretations. 10. Sparrows Point Sparrows Point in another runaway victory. Part of the reason that awful cover of Gethsemani Goodbye was so unbearable was because I don't think it's a strong song to begin with. (That's not to suggest that it could have been anything but awful, mind you. I mean, wow.) 11. Che Guevara T-Shirt Sorry, Castaway, I like you and all, but you're up against one of the superstars. 12. Nora Against The Island? Not even close. Nora's a beautiful, faintly-mysterious song. Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:07:45 +0300 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Copy & Paste Careless lyrics On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Pete Jameson wrote: > Careless > > Wow. I can't wait to hear this. - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #371 ************************************