From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #95 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, May 16 2009 Volume 10 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] offense of the Cross [Roxylee ] Re: [RS] offense of the Cross [Jean Rossner ] Re: [RS] offense of the Cross [] Re: [RS] offense of the Cross [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] and/or [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] language and radio [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Retread [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? ["Matthew Bullis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:09:25 -0400 From: Roxylee Subject: [RS] offense of the Cross He died on the Cross He bore the full weight of the wrath of God for our sin Enduring the agony and separation from God, who resided within He cried "It is finished!" The victory won The restraining curtain was torn The Spirit that raised Him Can now dwell in us In Jesus we can be reborn So when I hear you use His name as a curse in anger, or habit, or planned It makes my ears cringe, and the Spirit is grieved It's like driving more nails in his hand Roxylee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:28:11 -0400 From: Jean Rossner Subject: Re: [RS] offense of the Cross Pardon me, but this seems as far removed from discussion of RS's music as the earlier discussion was. Furthermore, I ask those who would post (non-Shindell-related, non-folk-music-related) material of this sort to consider that that may be as offensive to those of us who do not share your beliefs, as the "profane" language is to you. Thank you. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:30:44 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [RS] offense of the Cross >> Pardon me, but this seems as far removed from discussion of RS's music as the earlier discussion was. << I don't know, Jean, I don't totally agree. I found the post to be pretty relevant to the discussion about why Richard changes the phrase "God damn" to "big old" in "Kenworth of my Dreams" when he plays it in a church. I found it to be a bit heavy-handed, perhaps, but neither offensive nor irrelevant, in my opinion. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:22:21 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] offense of the Cross On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:30 AM, wrote: > >> . I don't know, Jean, I don't totally agree. I found the post to be > pretty relevant to the discussion about why Richard changes the phrase "God > damn" to "big old" in "Kenworth of my Dreams" when he plays it in a > church.<< > .......I have to agree with Ron on this one. Roxy's wasn't proselytizing, she was actually making a comment on how "The Lord's name in vain" is perceived by Christians. Again, kudos to RS for taking GD out of church performances. ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:33:56 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] and/or On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, wrote: >>>>> I find it no more curious than the other random changes he makes to songs here and there, often temporarily. "He just might keep OUR love in view" versus "my love" in "Reunion Hill." <<<< ...........OK, I JUST heard RS do this for the first time @ the last show I attended. I found the difference MEANINGFUL because by changing it to "our" as he did that night, it implies that the soldier is still possibly alive. Or at least that's what my rattled brain made of it. Has anyone here found any hidden meanings by listening to the CD's backwards?? Is Paul really dead??? :-) ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:43:04 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? ........But Paul is still the Walrus, right???? (Beatles on the mind today...) I can answer the second question. RS does indeed have a first wife -- AYHN - -- somehow ties back to her. He also has a son from that marriage whom "Castaway" was written for. And if you notice "Sparrows Point" -- the CD -- is dedicated to Sam & Lila. That would be his current wife and his older son. His two younger children had not been born yet. Hope I'm not meandering too far off topic here, but folkies and teenage kids makes me think of something funny I witnessed at our local mall. Are any other American/Canadian listers here familiar with the store, "Hot Topic"?? It's a mostly clothing store that specializes in your Marilyn Manson type fan attire. Very goth/emo. John Prine lives in my part of Florida for part of the year, and I saw him in Hot Topic shopping with his boys. He had a look on his face like, "Just shoot me NOW." It doesn't matter how cool your music is, your kids will NOT see your pearls. :-) ...Carol On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > Matthew Bullis wrote: > > >> Hello, listening to Sparows Point, which has two military-themed songs, > and > then Blue Divide has a very pointed Things That I Have Seen. It makes me > wonder if Richard had ever been in the military? He never has said anything > that I know of, but then the other day, I also learned from an old WFUV > archives show that he had a first wife, as well as an older son from that > first marriage. Anyhow, does anyone know? << > > > I'm 99.9% sure that Richard was not in the military. I'm also pretty sure > that > Richard was not arund 2,000 years ago, nor was he a Civil War widow, nor > was a > day trader, nor was he a truck driver, nor was he a cab driver (neither was > Harry Chapin, by the way, though he had contemplated it). :) > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:24:59 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] language and radio On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, wrote: >>>> I also like waiting to see what modifier to Republicans Richard will use in Transit.<<<< Norman, That's because Reagan Republicans are huggable and lovable next to GWB's crew. ...Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:59:25 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Retread .........But isn't it always RS's way to come at an issue sideways?? Example: until you were told, you didn't know that "Tune for Nowhere" was written about the Bosnian war. I find following the life of a girl and her flute lessons in that morass more compelling than direct lyrics of fighting and death. I love the gut punch that comes at the end of "Sparrows Point". Once you hear "...three days west of Normandy with a rifle in my hand..." you know the guy is toast. As searing as "Saving Private Ryan"?? No, but it still gives me goosebumps. I would say that "Last Fare of the Day" is a more subtle and hopeful companion to "I Am". First person narratives are the staple of Richard's songwriting. How else could he have written about 9-11?? To make it about a victim or survivor of 9-11 would just be too wrenching. I had a very emotional reaction to Alan Jackson's "Where Were You When the World Stopped Spinning". It WAS what I needed to hear that September and October, but now it is too visceral for me. "Last Fare" can stay on the set list due to it's glorious subtlety. In answer to John's original question, I would say that I don't want the vivid references at this point. "I Am" fit this bill, and you notice that RS never officially released it. "Last Fare" helps us to never forget, but not to have to run for our Prozac every time we hear it. My .25 worth. .....Carol On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM, wrote: > >> I don't think I will ever get past the 9/11 imagery in this song << > > Question: if you didn't know the first part of the song takes place in the > days after 9/11, WOULD you know? The song never jumped out at me as being > quite that obvious. Less so, certainly, than Lucy's "Land of the Living," > Mark Erelli's "The Only Way," David Francey's "Grim Cathedral," etc. > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:50:06 -0700 From: "Matthew Bullis" Subject: Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? Quite interesting. I didn't know that Castaway was written for his son Sam. Perhaps that's in the liner notes as well, but I guess I miss out on all of that. Since I'm blind, I can't read these booklets, and they're so graphical that I can't scan them in, and no one has patience enough to really read all of the tidbits inside the booklets. I'm now off to practice Castaway on my autoharp. I worked on Courier the other day. I find that the autoharp lends itself very well to these songs, especially when I can't make the guitar sound like I want it, and can't play as well as Richard. Thanks a lot. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:01:20 +0000 From: billchmelir@charter.net Subject: [RS] Richard Military? Matthew Bullis, I heard Richard say at one show that his father was a career Navy man, but I don't think that he has served. I think he must have been too late for the draft. Jimi hendrix was a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne. I don't know of any other musicians who served. Do any of you know of any that have? Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:44:18 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? Matthew, The liner notes never state who "Sam" and "Lila" are -- I just know this because his first wife used to live around here and she and Sam were at a lot of RS's show here in the mid 90's. I can't remember HER name. Urgh! However, she was really sweet and we had several conversations because Richard was playing TINY venues back then and we would end up next to each other in the line for the ladies room or things like that and we both teach a similar population of kids. AYHN aside, it looked to me like an amiable divorce (if that's not too much of an oxymoron) as she was frequently front and center with their son at Central Florida shows -- and she spoke in very positive terms of his second wife. Once when RS was getting ready to play "Castaway" (nostalgic sigh -- back when THAT gem was still in his playlist...) he commented on how when he wrote the song his son was nowhere near a "blue lagoon" and now here he was on the coast of Florida. All this rambling to say, you have missed no personal Shindell lore in the liner notes. I only know this because us women have to wait in LONG lines at shows for the loo, and I ended up next to the first Mrs.Shindell at time or two. Any of you gals from the Northeast end up waiting next to the second Mrs. Shindell?? As we all know, the line for the ladies room is where all us females bond. ....Carol On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Bullis wrote: > Quite interesting. I didn't know that Castaway was written for his son Sam. > Perhaps that's in the liner notes as well, but I guess I miss out on all of > that. Since I'm blind, I can't read these booklets, and they're so > graphical > that I can't scan them in, and no one has patience enough to really read > all > of the tidbits inside the booklets. I'm now off to practice Castaway on my > autoharp. I worked on Courier the other day. I find that the autoharp lends > itself very well to these songs, especially when I can't make the guitar > sound like I want it, and can't play as well as Richard. > Thanks a lot. > Matthew ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #95 ***********************************