From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #92 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, May 15 2009 Volume 10 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] switching from digest to non- [] Re: [RS] Shindell the Mystic [] Re: [RS] language [] Re: [RS] Antje Duvekot live on WUMB 6pm EST today! [Karen Zundel ] Re: [RS] Respect and Levity [] Re: [RS] Respect and Levity [john clary ] [RS] Children's reactions to Richard's songs [Buffy Breakwell Subject: Re: [RS] switching from digest to non- Beth (and others) . . . there'll be no problem: simply uns*b from the digest, and subs*cribe to the version you want. In fact, if you do it in the reverse order from what I just said, you'd be able to confirm that you're getting the new (single-post) version while still getting the digest, just to be safe. RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 9:51:26 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Shindell the Mystic >>I don't think the omission of G-D damn from Kenworth is a cop out at all. I think it's borne of sensitivity to Christianity. Let's not forget Richard's career-long interest in all things spiritual. << But if he was truly being sensitive, wouldn't he simply not sing the potentially offensive phrase EVER? If it offends some -- heck, we saw folks on the list here recently get offended when blasphemy was used in a POST -- they're going to be offended whether they hear it in a church or elsewhere. Given that, why would he write (and sing) it that way in the first place? RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 6:39:26 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [RS] language >> the last time I saw Antje, she spoke about how she scans the audience and if they don't see any kids they'd keep the curse in. << Artists are more likely to censor themselves on radio appearances, where FCC regulations might get in the way. In concert, I've seen artists simply warn the audience about the potentially offensive word: I've seen Peter Mulvey do it with "Sad, Sad, Sad, Sad" and Kris Delmhorst with "Honeyed Out," both of which use the F word. It CAN mess with the song, though: when I first heard Richard do "State of the Union," it was on a radio broadcast, and he replaced the word "shit" with "mud" in the last verse, making no sense, and robbing the verse of its power. I feel the same about "Pearls" . . . on the few occasions I've heard Antje replace the F word with something less offensive, it weakens the song for me. RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Karen Zundel Subject: Re: [RS] Antje Duvekot live on WUMB 6pm EST today! Folks, The WUMB broadcast was quite enjoyable.B I missed the last 10 minutes, but still got to hear Antje perform: 1.Dublin boys 2. Scream 3. Ragdoll Princes and Junkyard Queens (a song that she said was about both Woody Guthrie and herB good friend David) 4. Vetigo 5. Reasonland 6.B Diana's Song (in her words a whimsical song for her best friend) 7.B Diamon on Your Hand 8.B Sex Bandaid 9. Merry-go-round 10. Dandelion She talked alot about her influences, how she defines success, her need to be authentic in her writing. Songwriting has been like therapy for her; helps her to process her life. When asked about working with RS she said the experience with RS was casual and relaxing - they recorded in an old barn in Connecticut - often staying over and drinking wine then recording.B Said he's such a great musician.....trusted his instincts.B It was a joy for her to work with artists whom she's admired: Mark Erelli, LucyK, etc. She would like to work with Dar Williams, Patty Griffin, Josh Ritter....but is curretnly inspired by her peers in Boston - namely Meg Hutchinson, Anais Mitchell, Rose Polenzani.B Loves the Boston music scene. That's about all I can remember!B :-) KarenZ - ----- "Karen Zundel" wrote: > Folks, > Antje Duvekot is doing a show for WUMB members today which will be broadcast > live at 6pm EST .B B This is the first time WUMB is broadcasting a member show > and it will feature both B music and conversation.B > Listen live at www.wumb.org > KarenZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:27:58 +0000 From: billchmelir@charter.net Subject: [RS] Respect and Levity Ron, Thanks for the answer to my question about the list. I am not especially religious either, but I do have respect other peoples religious beliefs. I think that Richard changing the lyrics in KOMD in a church is not a copout but rather a touch of class and a sign of respect to those who believe that it is a big deal. It is after all one of the 10 commandments. Jon McDonnell, I appreciated your stab at levity. It had it's desired affect with me though I misinterpreted it's exact meaning. But then it was a coded message. I'm a civil engineer and I promise to never tell any of my profession's jokes on this list unless the discussion gets way too exciting and needs to be dulled down a little. Cheers, Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:47:17 +0300 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: [RS] Dancin' If we're in search of levity, I never did get more than a handful of responses to my question about best Shindell dance tune remixes. Just saying. Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:36:09 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Respect and Levity >> I think that Richard changing the lyrics in KOMD in a church is not a copout but rather a touch of class and a sign of respect to those who believe that it is a big deal. << Perhaps cop-out was too strong a word . . . I guess I just meant that if it's offensive, isn't it offensive EVERYWHERE? RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:46:30 -0600 From: john clary Subject: Re: [RS] Respect and Levity rongrittz@cox.net wrote: >>Perhaps cop-out was too strong a word . . . I guess I just meant that if it's offensive, isn't it offensive EVERYWHERE? RG<< Ron, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable question to me. If I were to answer it, I'd say, "Yes." It's not offensive to me, so I wouldn't react the way an offended person might, tho I'd clearly get the emphasis. I'm not sure why proclaiming something as damned (or G-d damned, same thing, really, since if you believe in G-d, you surely also believe that only G-d has the power to damn something) is necessarily offensive. What if it's true? Perhaps none of us can really know? Maybe the offense is in assuming we know the mind of G-d? I suppose that makes sense, even to a non-believer like me. Still, I find it hard to censor myself when that phrase really hits the spot. And I appreciate when the phrase is used by others in certain circumstances. John Clary 303/589.8099 | http://johnclary.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:35:06 +0100 From: Buffy Breakwell Subject: [RS] Children's reactions to Richard's songs Posting on here for the first time in, oh, 7hbz years.... Does anyone here have young children that they play Richard's music to? I'm talking younger than teenagers. If so, how do they react to it? I ask because my oldest two are 5 (nearly 6) and 4, and I have been playing the new CD in the car recently. How I wish Richard could be a fly on the wall (/windscreen) to hear the discussions which his songs generate on our various journeys to school etc. First you get a sudden eerie silence as they strain to hear the words of the song (cue the one-year-old in between them looking bemusedly from one to the other, trying to work out why the babble has suddenly stopped.) In the last few weeks we have had the most hilarious, wonderful conversations out of these songs which the kids are completely fascinated with - this should not be a surprise I guess because if anyone's going to appreciate story-telling, imagery, narrative, atmosphere etc it would be kids, who are immersed in it much of the day anyway. The questions are endless..... "The Ants Song": "Why have they arrested the thief?" "Why does he want to pretend he's God when he's not?" "Why is so horrible to the ants, blowing them around?" "Why have the police thrown him on the ground, why couldn't they just handcuff him?" "Is it like when that man died after the police pushed him on the ground in the news?" (Reference to Ian Tomlinson who died of a heart attack after being pushed to the ground by police while he was walking past/away from the G20 protests in April.....). "The Juggler Song": "Why is he juggling in traffic and not in a circus?" "I think all the drivers are really mean, not looking at him. He's trying really hard!" "Why is this song so sad - is it because no-one will take any notice of him?" "He did it all for WHO???" "Why does it go 1-then-2-then-3-then1 instead of 1-then-2-then-3-then-4? Doesn't he know numbers?" (Try finding a satisfactory answer to that one for a 4-year-old....) "The Donkey Song": "What are fizzy coughs?" (visigoths, naturally...) "Why won't the donkey get up?" ("Because she's tired, stupid!") Big discussion/heated argument about whether "this is a really sad song because the donkey is so tired and won't ever be able to go back to Rome" (6-year-old's interpretation) vs "this song is really funny because he can't get the donkey to move" (4-year-old's interpretation). "Why does he say Cla-ra (US pronunciation) instead of Cla(r)-a (UK pronunciation)?" ("Because he's American." "I thought he was from Rome. Is Rome in America?" "No, it's in Italy." "Is the donkey Italian then?"....) All of these are genuine discussions that have been had by my boys in recent weeks - my favourite of which have been when I've slipped out of the conversation and the discussion carries on without me, between the two of them. We probably won't be moving onto State of the Union in the near future (can't handle THOSE questions quite yet) but I thought it was a testament to the skill of Richard's writing that his songs can be enjoyed in such different ways.... Interestingly, the only other singer/songwriter whom they've heard and latched onto in the same way is Dave Carter. Go figure! Take care all - excited that Richard is coming to the UK again, but desperately wondering if I'm going to be able to see him..... Buffy ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #92 ***********************************