From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #88 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, May 14 2009 Volume 10 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V10 #87 ["E. Wolke" ] [RS] Order is restored [John McDonnell ] [RS] List Posts [billchmelir@charter.net] Re: [RS] List Posts [] Re: [RS] Order is restored [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] last fare of the day.... [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V10 #86 [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... [] Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... [Carol Love ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:50:32 -0400 From: "E. Wolke" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V10 #87 Here, here, Ron! No trolls allowed. Yeah, I've been on the Internet THAT long. This list has been remarkably gripe-free and I've enjoyed it immensely even in lurkdom, and let's play nice. Now, who do you think Richard (or his protagonist, not necessarily the same) is saying "Bye, bye" to? Evelyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:12:25 -0400 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Order is restored Hey All, Just by way of clarification, and not to extend the tangent, but Bill, the "bicamerally loving coder" is an anagram of democracy loving liberals, and was an oblique reference to our democratic legislature and my sometimes infuriating penchant for reading into RS (seeing it as heavily "coded"). I am a lawyer, not a tech guy. Ok, so its not a GREAT joke, but I was attempting some levity--a vain attempt, given what followed. We have been suitably admonished, but I often like the discussions which RS songs prompt--it shows their depth and complexity. What is odd is that the song that prompted the last heated exchange is one that many of us do not understand (though many do, I know). But again, it raises an issue which is inevitable--we have a talented songwriter with an occasional political flavor to his songs--how are those songs "evaluated" for want of a better word, as artistic works without the politics of their authors. This comes up frequently with many artists of all kinds, and I see it as a natural outcrop of the works and their authors. The fact that the list has always welcomed this discussion is its strength, not a weakness or a distraction, I find. The acrimony? Well that's something else altogether. I think I have posted some of the nuttiest things on this list about RS's work, but while many of you have rolled your eyes at them, I'm sure, the list has never been an unwelcome place for ideas. I will say that I am a little miffed that I am going to miss RS by about a month--he will be in Ireland in June. I live in New York, however, so I realize I have no cause for complaint. I have to say, though, that I saw him with Olabelle in Huntington, New York and was not happy with the show at all. The fun that they appeared to be having was a little too "inside" for me--perhaps because I was expecting a RS show, and not a co-show. John McD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:37:46 +0000 From: billchmelir@charter.net Subject: [RS] List Posts I have a list structural question. When I receive posts they are packaged together as a group of anywhere from say 1 to 12 posts. Some of the posts in those groups have already responded to posts which are packaged in the same group. Why is that? Is there a "platinum membership" to the list that allows some to receive posts in real time as others post them? Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:20:58 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [RS] List Posts >> Is there a "platinum membership" to the list that allows some to receive posts in real time as others post them? << All depends on whether you orignally signed up for the digest version or the single-post "real time" version. Instructions on how to switch from one to the other are in the list info doc, available here: http://www.smoe.org/lists/shindell-list.info RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] Order is restored I have to agree with John, that show was a bit too much 'inside' for me as well. It was almost as if they forgot they had an audience. On another note, I'm wondering what the shirts will have on them. I'm betting it's the cover of Mariana's ep. the field without Richard. Janet - --- On Thu, 5/14/09, John McDonnell wrote: > I have to say, > though, that I saw > him with Olabelle in Huntington, New York and was not happy > with the show at > all. The fun that they appeared to be having was a > little too "inside" for > me--perhaps because I was expecting a RS show, and not a > co-show. > > John McD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:51:18 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: [RS] last fare of the day.... On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Sandy Smith wrote: >>>>>Yes. This has never been a contentious place until now. Sure, there were strong disagreements about whether there were one or two couples in "Last Fare of the Day," but they were never hostile. No one has thrown flames until now.<<<< ........Dang!! I missed this??!! I went off for a while to finish grad school, raise a kid and teach wild teenagers -- so I wasn't on list during that topic. I had thought it WAS the same couple until I saw Richard this month and he stated that it was two couples right before he played the song -- probably my favorite from that album. Honestly, I liked MY version better. Both show hope -- a rarity in a Shindell song -- but I just liked that life had really come out of the ashes for the same couple. PLEASE without staring any acrimony, does anyone else like the one couple version better, too?? And really I think that RS, or any good writer for that matter, writes his songs as pieces of existential literature. Your reality IS the reality of the song. For example, (and I can hear Gritz slapping his forehead three time zones away when I bring up AEROSMITH...but...) their song, "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" is most likely intended to be about a lover but I have always held it dear as a way I have felt about my daughter as she grows up. And since it was written to go in "Armageddon", a movie starring Steven Tyler's daughter, I can even imagine he might have had that thought once or twice. Ha!! Let's see someone else connect RS and Aerosmith with one degree. :-) .....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:54:40 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V10 #86 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM, E. Wolke wrote: > >>>Like his appearance with Ollabelle -- I sure hope they recorded that.<<< ......Well, I'm going to be back to making Gritz slap himself again, but RS just said in his concert here that Ollabelle was BEGGING him to sign off on the recordings they did together so that it could be released. HOWEVER, Richard said the perfectionist in him hates to hear himself live and he has been sitting on the contract. ARGH!!!!!!! ...Carol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 01:11:59 +0300 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Carol Love wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Sandy Smith >wrote: > > I had thought it WAS the same couple until I saw Richard this month and he > stated that it was two couples right before he played the song -- probably > my favorite from that album. > > Honestly, I liked MY version better. Both show hope -- a rarity in a > Shindell song -- but I just liked that life had really come out of the > ashes > for the same couple. > > PLEASE without staring any acrimony, does anyone else like the one couple > version better, too?? > > I've always liked the One Couple theory better, yeah. I was bummed to hear Richard debunk it, way back when. I remember posting some analysis of the lyrics, the use of "And there *they* are, outside St. Luke's," arguing that the familiarity of "they" shines through and refers to the earlier couple, etc., but obviously that's just my interpretation. I also feel that it creates a stronger link throughout the song, with the same couple experiencing both misery and rebirth, and through them the city, nation, etc. Making them two different couples somewhat...randomizes it, weakens it, for me. Just personal view, I guess. Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:22:50 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... >> Making them two different couples somewhat...randomizes it, weakens it, for me. << Making it one couple, to me, makes it a little too "Hollywood happy ending," and totally uncharacteristic of a Richard Shindell song. Not to mention being totally unlikely and unbelievable in a city of 7hbz (that's hundred billion zillion) people. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:55:27 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > >>>>>Not to mention being totally unlikely and unbelievable in a city of > 7hbz (that's hundred billion zillion) people.<<<< Ron, You forget your "When Harry Met Sally". *Harry:* Oh I'm fine. Look it had to happen at some point, in a city of eight million people you're bound to run into your ex-wife so boom, it happens, and now I'm fine. :-) ...........Carol ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #88 ***********************************