From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #84 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, May 12 2009 Volume 10 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Silvio Rodriguez [billchmelir@charter.net] Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez [Jeff Bernstein ] [RS] RS tour. [] RE: [RS] RS tour. [Ronnie de Champs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:06:26 +0000 From: billchmelir@charter.net Subject: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez Folks, ?Que Hago Ahora? Is a beautiful song. Great melody, great phrasing, great rhyming of words that end with -ado and -ego. Very moving even for a gringo like me who has no idea what the words mean. That said it strikes me as hypocritical for a folk singer to participate in a government like Cuba's. Like one of those "family values" republican politicians who cheats on his spouse with prostitutes. I know that Batista's rule of Cuba before the 1959 revolution was horrible and oppressive and was supported by big American business and tolerated by Eisenhower and probably would have been re-established by Kennedy if the bay of pigs would have worked out. But to replace one tyranny with another is no virtue. Castro could have chosen to establish democracy and given the power to the Cuban people but chose instead to keep it for himself. He knows best. Well screw him and people who think that's cool. It's hypocritical to be critical of the US government for denying Rodriguez a visa. He doesn't have a right to come here. He's not a citizen of the US. He has no legal standing here. The government that he is a part of censures it's own citizens as a rule. What is good for the goose... Are some of you seriously OK with dictatorships? Later, Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:44:14 -0400 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez Thank you for clarifying. You do support censorship and denying artistic freedom. This isn't about geese, it's about our rights as citizens to make our own choices about what we listen to or who we choose to see perform. By justifying his exclusion you justify the censorship you accuse Castro of perpetrating. That is hypocrisy. Leadership is about behaving as you would have others behave. Your attitude is one of the reasons we lost our place as a leader in the world that we are now struggling to regain. Jeff On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM, wrote: > It's hypocritical to be critical of the US government for denying Rodriguez > a visa. He doesn't have a right to come here. He's not a citizen of the > US. He has no legal standing here. The government that he is a part of > censures it's own citizens as a rule. What is good for the goose... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:32:49 -0400 From: Subject: [RS] RS tour. Wow, eight shows in the Netherlands. The NETHERLANDS? Can an artist really draw a bigger audience there than, say, I don't know, CALIFORNIA? RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:32:20 +0200 From: Ronnie de Champs Subject: RE: [RS] RS tour. Well actually, 2 of those are radio sessions, 1 is a festival gig and another 1 is a double bill with the wonderful Rod Picott and Amanda Shires but I am not complaining! And it is the first time he will be playing here solo. That might have sparked some extra interest. The Netherlands actually has quite a good singer/songwriter scene. There are quite a few quality artists who come over to play a few shows every couple of years. Great audences who listen to the music and understand and speak English very well. Ronnie who will see 6 out of 8 of the shows (only skipping the radio ones) > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:32:49 -0400 > From: rongrittz@cox.net > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] RS tour. > > Wow, eight shows in the Netherlands. The NETHERLANDS? Can an artist really draw a bigger audience there than, say, I don't know, CALIFORNIA? > > RG _________________________________________________________________ See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #84 ***********************************