From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #82 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, May 9 2009 Volume 10 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Silvio Rodriguez [Georgette deFriesse ] Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez [Carol Love ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:54:56 -0400 From: Georgette deFriesse Subject: [RS] Re: Silvio Rodriguez On May 8, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Bill Chmelir wrote: > Oh, Silvio Rodriguez is a member of the Cuban Parliament? I see. > Has he ever run for President or Prime Minister, which ever is the > highest seat of power in Cuba? What's that you say? He's not > allowed to? Why is that? Oh, because Cuba is a dictatorship? That > can't be. All of the democracy loving liberals in the US think very > highly of the Cuban government. They have government run health > care and everything. Oh, I see, dictatorships are OK as long as > they are run by left wing dictators. So it's OK for a folk singer > to be part of a government run by a dictator that oppresses it's > people as long as the government provides health care for those > people while they are being oppressed? Yes, I agree, that's much > better than having to pay for your own health care but getting to > elect your own leaders. You're right, Silvio gets a pass. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Hey, Bill, you know who Victor Jara is? He's mentioned in the letter Rodriguez sent to Seeger. You catch that? Do you know how Jara died? Do you know the relationship our government had with the junta that murdered Jara? Allow me to paraphrase you: "Oh, I see, dictatorships are OK as long as they are run by right wing dictators." You don't have a clue what "democracy loving liberals" think, because you're not a democracy loving liberal. So maybe you should stick to telling us what you think, okay? Georgette Sent from my liberal MacBook Pro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:24:52 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez This is ridiculous. We're supposed to apologize for respecting and discussing an artist whose work is covered by the person this list is about? People should be able to talk about Silvio here without getting personally attacked for their politics, and I find it incredibly disturbing that apparently we cannot even mention Silvio unless we are prepared to go toe to toe with Bill Chmelir. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > What kind of self respecting folk singer manages to get permission to > travel from the Cuban government. That government which is happy to > imprison citizens for dissent and has been run by 2 brothers for the last 50 > years. Would any of you have any respect for a folk singer who was not in > prison for his dissent if he lived in a country run by George and Jeb Bush > for the last 50 years? > > His letter was posted on a Cuban Government controlled website. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:53:46 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Silvio Rodriguez ...........Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. - --- Ferris Bueller On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Vanessa Wills wrote: > This is ridiculous. We're supposed to apologize for respecting and > discussing an artist whose work is covered by the person this list is > about? > People should be able to talk about Silvio here without getting personally > attacked for their politics, and I find it incredibly disturbing that > apparently we cannot even mention Silvio unless we are prepared to go toe > to > toe with Bill Chmelir. > > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > > > What kind of self respecting folk singer manages to get permission to > > travel from the Cuban government. That government which is happy to > > imprison citizens for dissent and has been run by 2 brothers for the last > 50 > > years. Would any of you have any respect for a folk singer who was not > in > > prison for his dissent if he lived in a country run by George and Jeb > Bush > > for the last 50 years? > > > > His letter was posted on a Cuban Government controlled website. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > -- > "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see > that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." > --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #82 ***********************************