From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #19 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, February 13 2009 Volume 10 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity [Janet Cinelli ] Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity [Chris Foxwell ] Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity [Laurence Krulik ] Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity [Amy Cocuzza ] Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity ["kunigunda" ] [RS] Two Mules for Sister Clara [Bartley Gallagher Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity Wow, I must be going deaf. I don't remember these words. Only the part where he sang that a sound was "wicked weird". At least that's what I remember, which probably isn't saying much. I'm amazed you can remember all those words. Thinking about it, I probably misheard Rome as roam, knowing me. Oh well, I'm an idiot! Janet - --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Chris Foxwell wrote: > From: Chris Foxwell > Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:18 AM > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Janet Cinelli > wrote: > "The soul's a heavy load, when you're running > out of road, and you can never > go back to Rome" > and > "Vandals, Celts, and Visigoths are everywhere, and > this road ain't even > Roman, just where the hell are we goin'..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:00:00 +0200 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Janet Cinelli wrote: > Wow, I must be going deaf. I don't remember these words. Only the part > where he sang that a sound was "wicked weird". At least that's what I > remember, which probably isn't saying much. I'm amazed you can remember all > those words. Thinking about it, I probably misheard Rome as roam, knowing > me. Oh well, I'm an idiot! > Janet > Ha...no, you're not an idiot. :) Probably not deaf either! I'm lucky enough to possess a few copies of the new songs, from recorded radio interview/performances and live-show recordings and things like that. So I've had the luxury of listening to them, and quoting from them ;) , at my leisure. (Hence my reaction to the (relatively) production-heavy "Parasol Ants.") Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:20:26 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity In Clara Richard sings "you can never go back to ROAM" - at least I always thouht it was "roam" and not "Rome" - which is what I think the reviewer is referring to by the Roman Empire. Parsol Ants I loved at first listen and I think it does a fantastuic job at capturing the smallest of details - something Shindell is a master of. On 2009-02-12, Janet Cinelli wrote: > I took Ron's advice and listened to the clips on this website. I also read > the review and I got a little confused when I read this: "where tales of a > traveller and his mule in the Roman Empire (b Get up Clarab )" > Where does the reviewer get this from? Is it somewhere in the song that I > missed? > I've heard all the songs except Gethsemani Goodbye. One song I didn't care > for, Parasol Ants has grown on me. I can't wait to get the cd. And also > thanks for bringing up Antje again. I didn't order her new one yet but now I > will. She is such a wonderful singer/songwriter. I've seen her several > times, mostly opening for Ellis Paul but one time she did a co-bill with > Anais Mitchell (another great one). That's the time I realized that her song > Pearls had motherf--ker in it. She mentioned that before her concerts she > scans the audience and if she sees a kid, she changes the word. > Janet > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > >> From: rongrittz@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity >> To: shindell-list@smoe.org >> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:01 AM >> There are clips from six new songs by a guy named Richard >> Shindell on the Fish Records site; maybe we could talk about >> that instead? >> >> http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/reviews/notfarnow.htm >> >> RG > - -- Sent from my mobile device ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:56:28 -0500 From: Amy Cocuzza Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:18 AM, Chris Foxwell wrote: > > --However, I'm not a big fan of the production/instrumentation of > "Parasol > Ants." I've really really been hooked on this song ever since I > heard it > live for the first time, and I've since come to love the solo > stripped-down > performance. The "band" feel of the finished tune, with the drums > and all, > just isn't working for me in comparison. But likely I've listened > to the > solo version way too much for objective review; I'm sure I'll get > used to > the studio version in time. It might turn out to be a Mavis > situation for > me, though, where I practically hold the solo version and the studio > versions apart as two different songs in my mind. > > --"One Man's Arkansas"...?!? Hooray! I had feared that Richard had > all but > abandoned this song. He always cocks an eyebrow and grimaces when I > request > it at performances. :) I'm very excited that it will be on the new > album! > I haven't been able to listen to the clips on Fish's website (they're not working for me, and this beleaguered law student hasn't had the time or wherewithal to figure out why), but I suspect my reaction to the album "One Man's Arkansas" will be much like Chris' reaction to "Parasol Ants." I've been more or less stalking Richard over this song for the four years or so since he wrote it. The whole time I've been convinced that it was perfect as it was, and he insisted that it was unfinished and unsatisfactory. Well, it is his song and all, but I was a bit disappointed to learn last summer that he'd rewritten the final verse and rejiggered the tempo and all. I'm sure it WILL be a "Mavis" situation and I'll come to love the studio arrangement, but part of me remains convinced that it was better before. Despite my bloviating about "Arkansas," I am beside myself about this album. How long now? :) It'll be the best graduation present a woman could hope for (apart from the great gift of being done with law school itself). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:37:33 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] Strength Through Integrity Chris sez - --The album cover cracks me up. It's actually the poster photo he used for last year's performance tour. I brought one home from a Club Passim performance and stuck it up on the wall at work--back when I was in the 'States--and I spent many a bored moment glancing at it. I didn't know it was going to be the new album cover, though, since it was associated with the South Of Delia tour. I have the poster also. My nephew snagged it for me at Eddies Attic when R was there promoting S of D. The poster has a large pic of the South of Delia cover placed next to R sitting in the chair. I'm thinking the pic of Richard might be an older one. He looks younger somehow...more hair etc. Anyone know? Carrie in KC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:13:34 -0500 From: Bartley Gallagher Subject: [RS] Two Mules for Sister Clara Yes, having heard it only once, I too did not place "Get Up Clara" in middle Rome. The name Clara, to me, invokes a late 1800s America feeling. Say Clara Barton, Clara Brown, the later Clara Bow. Santa Clara, Clarabell the Clown, and Clara from Andy Griffith. Martha Clara (for Long Island Listers). Those Vandals and Visigoths claraly place it in an earlier time. Bart On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:55 AM, shindell-list-digest wrote: >> >> I took Ron's advice and listened to the clips on this website. I >> also read >> the review and I got a little confused when I read this: "where >> tales of a >> traveller and his mule in the Roman Empire (b Get up Clarab )" >> Where does the reviewer get this from? Is it somewhere in the song >> that I >> missed? >> > > It's pretty much from the lyrics, Janet, yeah. The song is full of > references to Rome and being lost on the roads. For instance: > > "The soul's a heavy load, when you're running out of road, and you > can never > go back to Rome" > > and > > "Vandals, Celts, and Visigoths are everywhere, and this road ain't > even > Roman, just where the hell are we goin'..." (The Vandals and > Visigoths were > two of the "barbarian" tribes that plagued Rome in the latter stages > of her > Empire, and the Celts were perpetual enemies that posed a threat in > the > middle stages of Rome's existence.) > > So, yeah, it seems like the singer and poor old Clara dear are > wandering the > back roads of the Empire, trying to get somewhere, and it's night and > they're lost, and the singer is just trying to coax Clara "up over > this one > last rise." (Other supporting/setting-establishing lyrics include: > "Out > here beyond all knowin', and only you know where we're goin'..."; > "C'mon > Clara, the map said there'd be monsters here..."; "Ever since we > started > roamin', to wherever it is we're goin' ...") (I especially like > Richard's > use of "roamin'" and "Roman" together.) > > I recall an interview on WFUV, a year or 18 months back, in which the > interviewer and Richard talked a little about the structure of the > song, and > the "gradual reveal" of the setting. First the listener is > introduced to > someone called Clara, upon whom the singer is reliant; then the > listener > discovers that Clara is a mule; then the listener discovers that > Clara and > the singer are lost in Rome; etc. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #19 ***********************************